Cadaver Course Confessions: Why Your Injector Needs This Training

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what I'm gonna do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm firing you both.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're firing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're shooting at the bottom.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna go on the next trip.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey guys, welcome back to the A-Skin Bass Pot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm your host Lina License Estition, and today I have Macy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Macy Taylor, Esthetician of Pernas Heather, Heather Taylor, nurse injector, Kristen, Kristen Sambord, licensed Esthetician, I forgot what it was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just a little disclaimer, if anybody when we made morning, this episode is talking about graphic images, not bad dialogue, but we might talk about heads that are never preserved, cadabar heads, error with caution, don't listen to this with your kid around.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You went, where'd you go?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I went to New York.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, I forgot where you went.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Lena, Lena's just excited about the dead people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dead people everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: OK, so we really stress the importance of continuing education.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've been doing this for years, and it is important to adapt to new trends, to just not lose knowledge that you gain kind of initially.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of it's like if you don't use it, you lose it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But also we're growing, like our history growing is growing like we're only in so much, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's so important to do continuing education.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we all do it multiple times during the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I personally try to go somewhere for some type of advanced class, at least once a year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this year, I got to go to New York with

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a cadaver course, and so, yes, I was working on a cadaver head.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The cadaver heads.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was so great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've always wanted to take a cadaver course.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to do one last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And with Dr. Nassaf and not got canceled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a hurricane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was disappointing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Christom was very disappointed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She really liked Dr. Nassaf.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to go to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But no, it was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a great, great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you guys want another trip, but I'm left out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to, I don't know what I'm going to do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm firing you both.

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[SPEAKER_03]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If I were to the bottom.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would go on the next trip.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know I think too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I asked Macy, I was like, Macy, what's your mom doing?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, dude, what do you think about her working on dead people?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will tell you, you, my, my rep, she kind of, um, prepared me for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know what to, I mean, I didn't know is it the whole body, is it the whole, but if you think about it, you know, people donate their body to science and you have,

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[SPEAKER_01]: plastic surgeons, you have orthopedic surgeons but dietrists that need to know how to work on real people, you know, they don't want to just go practice on a living person when you're doing surgeries and I'm pretty sure that I got out loud.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty sure it's gonna slow on now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not okay now, and I wouldn't want to be that person that you're just like practicing on some of this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so people have donated their bodies to science and since I am learning techniques that have to do with the face, I don't need the whole body.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just the head.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you just had heads, so just had heads.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the rest of the water there, like neck up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you kind of walk in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was in New York.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a great program.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You walk in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's probably 10 tables with three injectors per table.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's all set up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have a preserved cadaver head that's covered.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you have

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[SPEAKER_01]: All of your PPE, your gowns, your masks, your gloves, shoe coverings, and you have different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The way they did it, you had all of your surgical tools that you would need for dissection.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they had mock filler that was color coordinated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there was like red, green, blue.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Also you can see it under the skin after you injected it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, so they had the way they did it as they had one side of the face already dissected, you know, into layers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, anybody that doesn't know you your skin has multiple layers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have fat, which is out of position.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's so cool to see.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's nice.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It is standpoint.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because like we learn about it, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: We see diagrams, but it'd be so cool to see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they are dissecting it in the layers down to bone, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's certain filler that is placed that deep down to the bone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some that's placed more superficially.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you know, your face is super vascular.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very dangerous areas that can cause blindness and...

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[SPEAKER_01]: necrotic tissue or tissue, you know, tissue dies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot of, you know, that's why they always go to an experienced injector.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's not something that you want to just get on group on or, you know, oh, someone's doing something in their back room or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, go to an experience injector.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of really serious adverse things I can have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what areas did you learn to inject?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, I really,

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[SPEAKER_01]: did everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I went in wanting to really kind of perfect under eye, jaw, chin area just because those are areas that are very dangerous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of refer them out to plastic surgeons right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and would like to be able to keep them in-house because you know it's like I'm doing all this other stuff but then it gets to that one area that they just need just a little bit and I'm just that's kind of a really dangerous zone so I will send them out to someone that I feel is more confident and capable to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was great to be able to inject and then peel back those layers and see where your placement actually was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, I felt like because they're preserved that they're already very fluid filled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no blood flow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, they've drained the blood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's no blood, but you couldn't see results.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, I could see placement and, you know, all of the superficial arteries and all the major vessels and all of that was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, like I said, the adipose tissue I had a man that you could tell was very large man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a lot of fat tissue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so to go through that was it was neat to be able to see all of that because you see pictures or you hear about it and you learn about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But to actually see it, that was

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like if I were to inject her right now and in her cheeks, I would see instant results or her under eye instant results.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But with them, they're so preserved and so fluid filled that you couldn't see the actual results.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, it was, it was amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a great class.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would do it again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I still want to

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[SPEAKER_01]: further on and do like a different type of class that's just focused on that and and real results.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have been waiting all week here about this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know it was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was so great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I because I've never been to the East Coast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've never been to New York before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then I just went a couple of days early and got to do all the touristy things and

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she sent us some pictures of her class.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We could she didn't send us pictures of the actual and let you video or the photograph, the actual heads, which out of, you know, tell me when I said that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's yeah, that's completely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I will tell you, because everybody's asked me, they're like, oh my gosh, how did that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she just asked was it, you know, neck up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it basically was like they kind of had like the neck wrapped and almost like what I would say almost like a black trash bag and kind of taped up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you couldn't see that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it looked at first look, you know, at first glance it was almost like a wax figure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of what it looked like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like if you go to the wax museum and they look so real but they're wax and you know that

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[SPEAKER_01]: It did freak me out for just a second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of got in my own head because I could see some facial hair and like he was balding and you know he had like a growth on his nose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then I kind of got in my own head and I would just was like oh my gosh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what was the cause of death and what about his family?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then I just had to stop and kind of regroup and be like I'm here for a purpose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it was I was good, but there was a couple minutes there where I was just really like, oh, I just had this all this stuff in my head and but it was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was absolutely great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was so great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd love to see like the layers of the skin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a real and that's the thing you can read about it and you can see pictures and but there's nothing that's going to get.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The actual visualization of it when you can see all of those vessels and they peel back and they're like see this artery is what connects into this artery Which connects into this artery which you know and so you can just you know it's super vascular You know there's veins and arteries come you know tons of them in our face, but until you can actually see it

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so how long is it going to be before you start offering those treatments or are you already offering that I mean there are certain things that I am doing just a little bit more delicately right now with just with some caution and honestly not a lot of people are candidates for under eye filler anyways like you know if they have like the fluid filled pads that are kind of under the eyes if you're going to put something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: water-based hyaluronic acid-based in that area, which is what you do, that's just going to increase that fluid-filled pad because it's pulling moisture in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So not everybody is a great candidate anyways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's most people we can get correction with just mid-face filler for like the under-eye area.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so delicately, I'm already doing some of that, but I would say, you know, probably in the next six months or so, I'll get in and do a couple other trainings and just kind of perfect a few things and awesome, just because like I said, just because someone's licensed and can do something does not mean that they should do something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you don't want to do anything that you're not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, instead of some states, institutions are injecting, which I think is nuts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't it like Texas, Texas, they call it the Wild West?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the janitor could go take a class and if a doctor says, yeah, you can work under me and they can, I mean, they have no medical background, no license, they have a...

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, so far as some institutions in some states, I mean, they take the classes, they do, that's wonderful, but the thing that gets me is is that, you know, you don't have to prove that and like, estations only have, I don't know how many hours in other states, but I still think like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: or someone that has gone through those courses, those nursing courses before here in India.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're sleeping wheels and liquid into people's faces.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well again, there's so many reactions in contraindications.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've had having people, I can't even count how many people have passed out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My gosh, that's nice.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll pass out last week because I heard someone running down the hallway and I was in the middle, I don't know what I was doing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I was in the middle and I came out and I was like, everything okay, I was like, yeah, what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, someone was running down the hallway, like there was an emergency.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought someone passed out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Someone did pass out though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, tons of people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My last week though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You had as somebody passed out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it was I think it was week before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it, but yes, it, it happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, people get kind of white coat syndrome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They get nervous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I always tell people sleep and eat and drink before you come in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've had, it's always the ones that like their blood sugar crashes, their adrenaline's racing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've never had it done before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't know which would expect their nervous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can just see the color leaving them on the right side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to lay you back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: OK, I'm going to give you the fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: OK, you're going to breathe some of this alcohol.

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[SPEAKER_01]: OK, how are we feeling?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to sit here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go get you a drink.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can see OK. Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, this is why you should have 14 years of critical care background.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that should not just be done by anyone.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And how many hours of continuing education?

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[SPEAKER_01]: more than I can count.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you guys too, I mean, you guys are constantly, you know, with different reps and classes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you guys are always continuing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my girl is getting excited.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, so many classes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My girls love it when we have training classes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like they just absorb so much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got such an amazing group of of estheticians.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now we have a new, a new massage therapist that's working with us,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so now we have a new massage therapist that is their Monday Tuesday Friday Saturdays and so we just have a great group of everyone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're very lucky to have our have our people and guess for those people that are waiting Mr. Eric is back doing massages Monday afternoon Friday afternoon and every other Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we still have all those massage treatments and, um, you know, knock on wood.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm coming in through the holiday every other weekend, um, every other Saturday to do facial treatments.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and laser and VIPels and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was the time to dance the pills.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you have a Saturday that you're wanting to come in,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, give us a call and I am taking some appointments.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you usually could your lashes done during the week, I'm not going to move you to a Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So just kind of keep that in mind.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's all we got me and we're I know I just want to hear what the trip, but I thought it'd be really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do have a question for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know how long the head had been preserved and yes, you know I don't that's a good question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really am not like a certain point where you wouldn't be able to do anything on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay, so again, graphic content here,

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[SPEAKER_01]: So throughout the day, they start early.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like our class started at 7 a.m. That's why I stayed at the hotel where the class was because you know, trying to get through traffic and work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yes, the head was frozen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as the day went on, it evolved and they get mushy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, not really mushy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was more fluid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, did it sting?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it actually didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I will tell you, like, in high school and nursing school, I did, you know, like a pig heart and a baby pig and, you know, they smelled like that for Malta Heights.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But this, it didn't, it didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was, I was actually surprised by that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And if I wanted to do school, I always said I'd be in nurse.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just to go through an nursing class.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I didn't excel in college.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not easy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did do a sheep brain and high school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I remember that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We did frog.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We did a frog.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I went to the same high school as you did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now where did sheep brains by eighth grade and sophomore year I think?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Man, they got good, after I left.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, after we left.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was a story on the, you know, when she was a little girl, we lived, of course we live in the country.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And whenever somebody ran over something, like in the gravel road, she would be out there dissecting it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is like, I wanted to be in her school.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, actually, I want to be a doctor, but I saw how much school that was in her school.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I wanted to be a doctor.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's not much school.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Lena's always liked dead things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just like it's so interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything is so really, it really, really, really was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there were, there was a couple people that were in there that we're not doing well with the visualization of it and seeing it, like a couple of them stepped away and just kind of sat back and watched the, um, the die-act or it was like being a doctor

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's why I say I there for a couple of minutes, I kind of got in my own head about it and just was thinking and then I just had to just regroup and zone it out and I'm here for a purpose and so, but yeah, it was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was so great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, thank you for sharing that story.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've only been waiting a whole week to listen to you guys later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were both so busy last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was so busy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, thank you guys for hanging out with us today with me today.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I don't know what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we will talk to you guys later.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Bye.