Estheticians Debate: Mixing Tanning Beds and Red Light Therapy

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[SPEAKER_03]: your damage in your skin so that you don't damage your skin.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Once they do get pigment issues or damage and we treat them, then they're like, well, I'm never going to go back out in the sun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The new craze with UV, tanning, and red light therapy all in the same treatment.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Could they be using them together?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Are they helpful or are they harmful?

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[SPEAKER_01]: welcome back today skim babes podcast today we're talking about all things sunlight today i have shall be shall be airs licensed cosmologist all eric eric sandborn license massage therapist

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[SPEAKER_01]: and Kristen, Kristen Sambord, wisest estition.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So please tell me why all of you guys are wearing sunglasses when we're inside.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're super cute.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They are cute.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a fashion statement actually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Eric had lost lots of questions on all things sunlight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other day he tried to convince me that we don't need sunscreen in that sunscreen doesn't work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I wasn't trying to convince you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't need it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just we don't need it all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, can you explain?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're talking about why, well, understanding the light begin with, what is sunlight, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The sunlight emits electromagnetic energy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got UV, well, it's got the full spectrum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: UV, infrared, all the wavelengths of the colors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we just need to understand what the different wavelengths do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so like with UV, you've got three different wavelengths.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got the UVC, UVB and UVA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: UVC is almost not ever seen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't get through the atmosphere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But UVB, that's the one where most of us end up getting burnt from regularly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for some.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We like her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people bring her easier than others.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I personally don't burn that that easily.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think a lot of that has to do with the genetic background of myself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a lot of Native American in me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so my skin doesn't necessarily burn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It gets dark, and it does get red, but you don't really see the burn, and it doesn't really peel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unless it's my legs, which never see the light a day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And thankfully, nobody gets to see those.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So me, I'll turn as red as those sunglasses and then as soon as the redness goes away, I'm back to as white as the sheet of paper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and I think that this conversation kind of all started.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've had so many clients ask me or we get done with the treatment.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, well, I'll be inside and I won't, I never go outside and never get sun exposure so my skin doesn't have any type of pigment issues or damage or once they do get pigment issues or damage and we treat them, then they're like, well, I'm never gonna go back out in the sun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that that is kind of contradictory.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes in our industry, because we're fixing a lot of the skin targeted or pigment issues and different things, that I think we unintentionally give people the impression that the sun is bad and that the sun is something that we don't want to be out in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we demonize the sun a little bit when in reality, everyone also needs sunlight, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: be happy, but also vitamin D. There's just so many benefits of the sun as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then that's where Eric and I drive a an hour to work every day and I'm a podcast listener.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's not, but I am.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I was listening to Dr. Tina, who is a doctor and she talks about a lot of the stuff in the aesthetic world and she had Jonathan jurors.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Dracky, Dracky, whatever, and he was a young biology student and he did extensive research on the Sun and you know all the different forms and the different rays and wavelengths of light and how it does impact our body and what we

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[SPEAKER_03]: really do need and what we don't need.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think that's where I came through with he's always he's kind of a research junkie and research nerd.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so that's when we kind of gotten to the conversation about the different UVs and what each of them do and how they do help us.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you can tell that Lean is not here because I have my notes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the UV lights and the teeny beds, and all of that that's really prominent in our industry, I think it's important to know these different wavelengths and these different types of light, and which one is good, which one is bad, which one's we need, which ones we don't need, because we get really confused on all of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I think before we trash chalk tanning beds, I think Mr. Eric should go over the different highs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just say sometimes, obviously, I am very pale and as someone who was actually asked a couple years ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: as in, like, when I went to prom, this tanning salon asked me not to come back because I was physically not tanning, but there's just something about laying in a tanning bed for 20 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, relaxing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is just, you just feel so much better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even if you don't get results.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I actually do like to wear it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's where we're kind of coming in with, as Eric was explaining the different wavelengths of the sun rays, is,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Each of them, it's almost like the sun is talking to our body as, you know, as our biology dictates.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And each one of these wavelengths works like a messenger to tell our body to do something else.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like the UVC light, you know, that's the light that does not get, get to the earth.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But still we use that UVC light in hospitals because it is so dangerous to kill bacteria.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, that wavelength of light has a purpose.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then when he was talking about the UVB, you know, that's the one, that's what helps us produce vitamin D. And then it also helps to support our immune function, but excess can go in and it can cause damage.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, it's kind of a lot of what we're going to be talking today is, we need the sunlight and we need these different wavelengths,

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[SPEAKER_03]: in doses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't live without it, but just a proper usage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like with the UVB, you know, it can cause the sunburns, but we needed like Kristin was saying to produce vitamin D. It's really good for helping the regulating the hormones, immune function, stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: if you don't get it and they've done studies and they've seen where like people that live in the North West and they're always inside and they're never outside and they don't get any of the natural sunlight and they're depressed and they tend to have higher rates of all sorts of different help me out of this skin issues skin issues thank you sorry it's definitely a day

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the menopause?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you want?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The menopause.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this man is pausing right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, no, they do find that there's higher rates of disease when you don't have enough sunlight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, for years we've told people stand out of the sun or, you know, lather up with this really thick sunblock when we actually need the sun on our skin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it actually helps us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get burnt regardless if it's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the effort on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think for some of our listeners, it's important to clear up kind of how at least mineral sunscreen works.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It reflects the sun or it absorbs some of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what he's meaning when he's saying we're lathering it on and blocking it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how sunscreen helps us not burn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's reflecting it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and there's that difference between Sun block and Sun screen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sun block blocks the rays, which then, you know, you're not getting hardly anything, but then the Sun screen allows some of it to filter through so that you're still getting some of the benefits from it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of like our conversation about me saying, well, you don't need Sun block, but you don't need Sun block, you need Sun screen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and it depends on the individual like for myself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hardly ever wear sunscreen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't stay out in the sun very long either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you're taking your head.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, in a lot, plays into a summer and the other day walking the Nina's to get lunch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kristen sat outside for five minutes just to get some sun and she came in and her one arm was red like compared to the other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone has different skin and also as we age, I mean we're going to a newborn baby is going to need different sun protection than a 20-year-old than a 50-year-old than a 90-year-old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's important to know that UVCenent infrared light is what is the infrared light?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because we hear the red light therapy has non-visible and non-visible light.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so your infrared light is your non-visible light.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so it is kind of the

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[SPEAKER_03]: the communication that the sun has with our, that tells our body to, you know, it helps to support mitochondria, energy production or ATP, it helps improve our circulation, but it doesn't burn us.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so that's kind of the difference between the UV rays, they have the potential to burn.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the infrared light,

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[SPEAKER_03]: is more of a signaling for your body to bruise collagen and to produce to reduce inflammation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So those, that's where when we're looking at red light therapy, that is why it's so important to have that infrared along with the red light therapy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you're feeling like whenever you're sitting in the sun and feeling the warmth, it's the infrared, not the UV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and interestingly, you go back to the UVA's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the most common UV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We actually need that, and they've shown in the studies getting enough UVA actually releases nitric oxide into the bloodstream, which then lowers your blood pressure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so those that are having a lot of cardiovascular health problems, if they sit out in the sun, it can help them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a lot of doctor, and I'm recommending anybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: take that through medical advice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, they've shown in the studies that it does help, but also sitting out in the sun, getting UVA rays, is going to help damage the skin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think it's all using adequate timing and don't

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[SPEAKER_03]: do too much.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But moderation, moderation, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I know with heroes, we work a lot in dark rooms.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know that when I sometimes I'll spend 10, 12 hours a day in a dark room.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just my mood is cranky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I will go and sit out in the sun for 15 minutes and just kind of chill.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it just gives me like that a feeling of

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of people correlate sitting in the sun with just the effect it has on your skin, but there's so much more than that It's there's so much who are going on in your body.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Does anyone else know what that is?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that's your role, Mr. Eric My role?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what does it do?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What does it do?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean besides like a it releases endorphins.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just being out in the sun alone, you know, like we said, it's a mood and answer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it definitely helps you feel better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you're happier, your body tends to regulate better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It tends to heal better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just being in the sun's important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I hate to see people that are locked up in a room all day long every day, not getting any kind of natural sunlight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think all of this when we're at work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that instead of being that we're deficient because we have so many different forms of vitamin D. We can either, you know, you can take supplements, you can take shots, you could there's a lot of that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And some of that can be helped by just more light exposure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's important to know that, you know, sometimes you've got to have those that UVA rays that actually touch the skin.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and I loved to, you know, sit in front of a warm window and have the sunlight on me, but that may not actually be the right type of sun to stimulate the vitamin D. I would need to actually sit out and have the actual rays and so sitting behind glass, and because they can't penetrate it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Get out of your house break and take a walk or if you're a work from home person, go sit outside for a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think something else is circadian rhythm.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Can you explain to us what that is?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, all human beings have a circadian rhythm, and it's based off of the sun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, when the sun comes up, our body starts to become active, and as the sun goes down, that's when our bodies are saying, okay, it's time to fret down, go to sleep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of times if we're inside all day long, it screws up our circadian rhythm because we don't have that direct sunlight on us, and our bodies don't know where to go with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't know whether we should be sleeping or awake, so it really messes with a lot of the different functions of our body.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, some days at the spa, I see what it looks like outside eight times for one minute in between clients or even people who are working in an office all day and don't have the window in their office, like we don't even, you wouldn't even know what time of day it is unless if you looked at a clock.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think it decreases our alertness that during the day if we I like to get up in the morning.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm probably a early morning person other than a late in the evening person, but it's like you want to be able to have that when the sun rises.

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[SPEAKER_03]: that first sunlight on you, and it's almost like tells your body to, hey, it's time to wake up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, about the time the sun goes down, where you go, if the sun goes down at 7 o'clock in the winter, I'm ready for bed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The summer is staying, you know, until 9 o'clock, and then it's like, I'm alert until the sun goes down.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm ready to go to bed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm old, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I know that that we could never work night shift.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would not work night shift.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I did work night shifts when I was younger.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, I was just, it made me cranky.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, I really needed that sunlight to kind of wake me up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think a question would be, is how much light do we actually need, and this is something that I looked up, and it said that the recommendations or the for sunlight is you need 10 to 30 minutes of outdoor morning sunlight within the first hour after waking in order to kind of get your circadian rhythm started, and then want to two hours outdoors throughout the day kind of keeps that battery charged.

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[SPEAKER_03]: because if you look at the sun is kind of our battery charger for our mitochondria and our cells, our body cells, that's a good way to look at is that if you don't have that sunlight, then your cells kind of go, ewww.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But that sunlight just goes in and it just charges those batteries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We feel better when we're like in a rhythm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if we're scattered all over the place, if we're sleeping in, way past the time the sun's up and we're going to bed, way after the sun's gone down, we tend to feel worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, especially the older I get, the more I notice that if I get up and we've actually kind of started a really good routine, go outside, drink our coffee, kind of watch that sun come up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then throughout the day, you're feeling pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then as soon as that sun starts going down, you're like, okay, it's time for bed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I fall asleep a lot better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like having a good routine is really important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then when I'm at work all day long, there's times when three clock hits and I'm just drank.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and that's just from being inside all day long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no sun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think it's from being inside or do you think it's because you also do a lot of work on the computer on the laptop?

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[SPEAKER_00]: that has a lot to do with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that blue light coming off of phones, computer screens, tablets, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's causing problems and that kind of leads into our next section here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Sun has blue light, but it's counterbalanced by the red lights and all the other light that's it within it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what does blue light actually do for us?

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[SPEAKER_02]: If I am working on scheduling content or anything like that, and I'm doing it after 830 9 o'clock at night, I know that I am going to sleep terrible, yeah, like that is just because then I'm either constantly thinking about how I can make this slide better, how whichever whatever, and I know that like 738 o'clock, I need to quit with the phone, quit with the

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I almost said tablet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even have a tablet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I know that it just reps the eyes, too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think that your eyes hurt after I spend on the computer all day long.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I find under blue light doing lashes during the day or working on facials and doing different things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: My eyes hurt and then I have even more brain fog than usual on the way, you know, in the evening.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that blue light, I've heard other people say the blue light is kind of like poison.

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[SPEAKER_03]: because it doesn't have all the wavelengths that it needs to have.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's important to be aware that the different wavelengths can also be dangerous, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Being aware that it's not necessarily bad as a whole, but just keeping in mind of what it is doing to you and how you can help control that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now red light therapy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Red light therapy is very beneficial when I think it bridges the gap, especially for those that don't get enough sunlight outside.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's different wavelengths with with your red light therapy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: When you're looking for devices, whatever, I like between usually 8-10-850 and you're

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[SPEAKER_03]: You're far infrared, but to be able to trigger those hormone releases and to be able to reduce inflammation in the body, I think that the infrared or the red light therapy is extremely beneficial.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't replace sunlight, but it helps to support your collagen again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say, I think we've done a couple episodes on red light therapy, but just for our listeners to understand again what it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a support of your college in, it's helping with inflammation, and it can even help with your healing processes of anything in your body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it definitely works within the cell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, to help that cell, energize and be ready to do it's job properly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas I think the blue, like kind of suppresses some of that, it doesn't necessarily drain it, but it doesn't allow the cell to function the way it should.

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[SPEAKER_01]: red light supports what the cell is to be good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, when we talk about like the sun, having all that in there, that's why I go back to saying that the red light actually counter balances that blue light.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you're actually getting, you know, a good mixture of what you need, because blue light does help with different things too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the cell itself, it needs that red light.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It needs that red light in order to help charge the batteries, as well as the

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[SPEAKER_03]: can relate therapy replace going outside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have pain in your neck and shoulders.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't chase the symptoms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Come see me, Eric Sandborn, a licensed massage therapist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My targeted body works will definitely help out with correcting the issue in that neck and shoulders.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't go chasing symptoms all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just focus in on the area that's needed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My deep tissue work is designed to break up muscle knots and to relieve nerve pain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't use lotions and oils, we keep the clothing on and we just focus in on the areas that are needed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, book your session, let's get the work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Link is in the description.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it can help support, but it will never completely replace.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm still artificial lying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll never replace sunlight, but it can help support in ways that the sun supports you, but it'll never replace it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that goes back to the sun has all the wavelengths.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas red lights got a specific wavelength.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you can help it, you know, especially if you're an environment like, let's say Northern Alaska, or six months out of the year, they don't have any light.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what's better than no light would be?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a red light.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not do well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't do like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You would shut down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would sleep the entire night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would just sleep the entire night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just hi Renee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and I think we got in that big discussion about sunscreen, you know, in our industry, we're fixing pigment issues, and I think it's important to understand what a sun tan is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: A sun tan is the product of melanary lease from our little melanocytes in ourselves.

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[SPEAKER_03]: After we've done damage to them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: when people say that I'm just I want to go and get a base tanned so I don't burn on my vacation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Your damaging your skin so that you don't damage your skin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so it's never really made a lot of sense to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're kind of contributing yourself when you say you're doing that because you're you're like you said you're damaging your skin to damage it further.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, that the sunscreen is important or some block or whatever you're going to use, you know, that's why I'm like spray tan, you know, if you if you want that the the tan look, you know, do a spray tan and then.

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[SPEAKER_03]: get your tan naturally, because when you're looking at a titty bed, those UV rays are so close.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you tan, or you get that base tan, tan in 15 minutes, the same thing that is going to take you a week of sitting out, you know, being an hour or two in the natural sun, you know, that is to me that is not something that's a red flag of my head.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, how can you possibly do something that would take

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[SPEAKER_01]: 20 hours in 15 minutes and I don't know the exact times, but well, it doesn't work for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they advertise it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even that's a sign.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a sign that we shouldn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shelby just has pasty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Number four head.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Four slim.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, but spray tans work.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And spray stick around.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They do stick around.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, as we are damage in our skin, that's where we get the sun damage, the pigment damage, the uneven skin tone.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We get, we start getting red splotches on our skin.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, as at the medsball, if you have those issues, come to us, we'll fix them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We have to remove them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: On the other end of it, what do you think tanning beds are so addictive?

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[SPEAKER_03]: how relaxing they are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're still getting UV rays and you're relaxing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a dopamine thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like all of us here's stylists saying we need to go get a diet coke like or as we call it fridge sinks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it becomes a part of your routine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's nostalgia

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[SPEAKER_01]: us probably yeah well in part of it too probably is is that you just you want to be darker yeah you're just you want that tan yeah tan that is prettier than white fat yeah that's muffles my tan takes off at least five pounds i'm gonna say 10 yeah 10

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I do, I come from the generation of 70 cities where it was just as get a stark as you can get baby oil and yeah, and you just, and now those my generation is starting to take us back and say, okay, well, you know what, that's unspot that basal cell, all of that is was caused from what I was doing back in my 20s and 30s are teens and 20s.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so now we're trying to fix all of those those

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and I think that knowledge for these, the younger generation that you can be tan, just do it safely.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, don't, don't do over exposure and wear your sunblock and, and especially on your face and neck.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because that gets the most exposure out there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And there's a happy meeting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A drama in between baby oil and.

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[SPEAKER_01]: covering yourself from head to toe and thick sunblock that is leaves you white where you're not getting any benefits of the sun No vitamin D or anything but you're still protecting yourself.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a there's a happy medium in between those two things Yeah, and I know talking to a lot of ladies my age.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was just you know We kind of supplemented especially as we get older.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We have busy busy lives and so we kind of supplement that dopamine hit that we used to get from laying out the sun doing things outside

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[SPEAKER_02]: Spray a nasty sun in your hair.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's some crazy stuff with the tini beds.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so that was kind of our generation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do have a question that coming from a biblical background, my belief is that the Lord created everything and created us some perfection.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So with that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: did he create the Sun to cause the damage that we see?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or is there more to it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could there be underlying issues like what we eat?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could that be affecting how our bodies absorb these UV rays that are causing damage?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that there's been a whole lot of studies done on that, but my guess is that it does have something to do with it, not that I'm saying that, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, diet, you're going to be out there in the sun longer, but, you know, I would say that it does play a role in how the DNA gets damaged and, you know, the cells react and went hot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm going to go like, way out here in the field.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to say, if we are filling our bodies with the over processed and the fake foods and eating whatever is readily available all the time,

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to have some sort of reaction as our skin has reactions to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I want to be surprised if it is a reaction like our skin reacting to the sun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Our skin reacting to holding cell phones in our hands.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that there's a lot that goes into it besides just what we're eating is going to make it worse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I...

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you work with the lady that drink a bunch of carrot juice?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just about to bring the carrots and I've heard that carrots.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was a little orange.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, little orange.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm sure pigment wise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's like our skin is an expression of our inner health, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so if we're putting junk in our bodies, I'm gonna get into it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's move on forward, I coke.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We have a lot more red light therapy beds.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And now you have the UV beds and you have the red light therapy beds.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I've had some clients come and say why did the red light therapy bed and I didn't get tan.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's learning the difference because think of your red light therapy beds as more as your medicine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and you're going to go lay in a red light there be bed it will give you that you for that you feel when you are outside in the regular sunlight but you're not going to be getting tan it's more of a reduced inflammation think that is a wellness bed where the UV tanning beds they're going to be you know targeting

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[SPEAKER_03]: more of a damage to your to your skin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and if it's so you're saying, I got healthy skin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got healthy skin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird healthy skin, but I think if like tanning beds are a part of your routine and it's a habit, switching to a red light therapy bed could give you the similar

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[SPEAKER_01]: feeling if you're trying to sound like you're like getting off like smoking or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just something better for you, but you still what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say I do have to say that some days, Chris, I will get this and I'm sure a bunch of our listeners will get this, but sometimes you just need to go lay in a tanning bed for 20 minutes, smoke a camel crash and

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I didn't think you were a camel crochet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you were a camel crochet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a very short time in my life that I did that, but take everything we all say with that grace.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was so nervous too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was terrible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm getting the tanning bed without lotion on too, because...

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was just, you know, do as we say, not as we do sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the bronzer and tinkler never again with a tinkler.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then whenever Shelby has dark spots, sun spots, you know, I can fix them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's also, I couldn't get in the tanning bed now if I tried.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, something I'm seeing on TikTok and a lot of, I'd not thought I'd spend a lot of time on TikTok, but I do try to read everybody's comments.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And there was, there's been a lot of colors when I was recently to keep up with.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is a kind of a question and I want to hear everybody else's response on this one is the new craze with UV tanning and red light therapy all in the same treatment.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The red light therapy helps to improve your skin and support cellular repair.

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[SPEAKER_03]: While the UV tanning beds damage the skin could they be using them together, are they helpful or are they harmful?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have my own opinions on that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We've talked about that quite a bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she's right in many ways, you know, you're damaging the cells, but then you're repairing the cells.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have several clients that have asked me that question because they're now using the new, the new red light therapy with the UV taniin.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're getting darker so much faster.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And my question to you all is, is what do you think?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think that this is safe for you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think this is something that is just opening up a whole new can of worms.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think they really have to like research on that, because there's not a lot of studies out there on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very new.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would love to hear like the ladies who work at a tanning salon and are more knowledgeable on beds like that to hear like the science find it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because there isn't much research on it yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that there's going to be a two different camps out there saying one it's great and the other one saying it's very harmful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, we're not in either way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have our own personal thoughts on it, but as far as as that goes, you know, play it safe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't don't do something that you don't know what the results are actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: coming up with.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I always educate yourself on all sides of it before you make a decision for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I side on the side of caution because to me, you're going in and you're you're putting a healing modality with a harming modality and you stick them together and I don't think they necessarily cut out each other.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would like to think they'd counteract each other.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I

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[SPEAKER_02]: But if they're giving them a roll, I mean, I'm probably not want to ask because I'm not willing to try it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But if they're getting results, then one or the other, like, how, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's kind of like you've said in the past, you excite those cells, get them all ramped up, and then you bombard them with this damaging UV.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, radiation could it be causing more harm?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I think that's another one of those things that we're not going to know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: effects of, at least, for another 10 years, yeah, and then, are we, are we setting ourselves up for data, are we actually going in and counteracting those results?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's something that I want to hear from.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you know some studies that I've been done with that, you know, post them in the other way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we want to, we want to know, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's anything else that you girls can think of on the effects of light on our bodies or cells.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just think that we need to not be so afraid of the light.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, get out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't be so aggressive.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't be so worried about where you're protection.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And if we tell you on some of our treatments, we do have those peels that can help with removing some of the sun damage there is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: IPL laser, there's ways to counteract the damage that we've already done.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The big thing is don't go back and do the same things that cause the dark spots, that cause the molasma, is let's try to minimize that so we don't have to continue to fix it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because at some point in time, you can fix something so many times and then it's not going to be harder to correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think we should clarify that we're not saying don't wear your sunscreen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We still want you to wear your sunscreen, especially on your face and your neck every single day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just not demonizing the sun as a whole, and that it's actually really good free and beneficial for you as long as you understand why and how much you moderate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, moderation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you guys so much for hanging out with me and thank you guys so much for hanging out with me We will see you guys next week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And next week, Lena will be with us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so far Our host and our leader will be back.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bye guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bye.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Bye.