Microneedling Results: How Many Sessions Before You See a Difference

0:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I was never a super fan of that, just because you are pulling the same type of ingredients out of your blood and then you're putting a right back on your skin. [SPEAKER_03]: The clinical study showed an improvement of 120% to 400% improvement in college and and that's a drastic number was actually done by punch biopsies after their third microeatling session, just because you didn't feel as if you get results doesn't mean that you couldn't get results with this treatment. [SPEAKER_02]: Hey guys, welcome back to a skim-based pod. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm your host Lena, License Estition, and today I have Georgia Georgia Davenport, License Estition.

0:40 [SPEAKER_03]: Kelsey, Kelsey Rhodes, Estition of Prentice, and Kristen, Kristen Sandborn, License Estition. [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so today we're gonna get back on the topic of micro-needling. [SPEAKER_02]: We had a little bit of a viral moment. [SPEAKER_02]: We're Kelsey, Kelsey had a viral moment. [SPEAKER_01]: Kelsey, nothing, no one else is Kelsey. [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of this is answering some of the questions that we're in the comments because I got lost in the comments. [SPEAKER_01]: There were so many comments and so I'm sorry if I did not read your comment. [SPEAKER_01]: I started answering whenever we got going, but then at down the road, I'm like, oh my gosh, I can't keep up. [SPEAKER_01]: And so we're going to answer some of those questions and comments now. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying the top one was asking about the percentage claim of the college and production claim that we had stated about the one session of micro kneeling can increase for at least 400 percent college and stimulation.

1:30 [SPEAKER_02]: I think more questions was, where did you get that study? [SPEAKER_03]: So it is posted and we actually posted it in the comments. [SPEAKER_03]: We'll have it tagged in the comments of this podcast where that clinical study can be found as well. [SPEAKER_03]: But it was up to 400% so I should preface that it was made in the moment. [SPEAKER_03]: But the clinical study showed an improvement of 120% to 400% improvement in college. [SPEAKER_03]: And that's a drastic number. [SPEAKER_03]: It was actually done by punch biopsies after their third microeatling session and it was actually six weeks after that third microeatling session and it's going to vary dependent on the treatment, the depth, the person, like there's so many variables that it can't, it's not just a standard like 400% across the board, but it doesn't mean that microeatling is not an incredible procedure or option for patients in.

2:24 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think that there were hundreds to thousands of estitions that shared that across it. [SPEAKER_03]: They were like, oh my gosh, our favorite treatment, too. [SPEAKER_03]: And so I think that that speaks volumes to how incredible micronynealing can be for almost everybody. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and you can't compare results from someone who's done one session of very light micronynealing versus someone who has done four sessions of different depths of micronynealing six months after the treatment. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's not a modality that it's one setting fits all. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, each esthetician, each professional will set you on. [SPEAKER_01]: We'll have a different depth, a different product that they're micro-needly in. [SPEAKER_01]: And so just because you didn't feel as if you got didn't get results, doesn't mean that you couldn't get results with this treatment.

3:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You may just need to try it again, but at different settings, different modalities, and you also have to look if you're candidate for it. [SPEAKER_01]: You may not be a candidate for this type of treatment. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm going to make a great point earlier, she was saying, like, you look in the mirror every single day at your face. [SPEAKER_00]: So you may not notice gradual results, even one or two, the way I didn't see any difference until I plot the before and after picture. [SPEAKER_02]: Because it is a difference from four to six weeks ago, compared to what you're seeing every day, you're not seeing the small changes every day. [SPEAKER_03]: And you're not going to see, that's there, like, the immediate results like you would with certain lasers, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Where, you know, your IPLs, your BBLs, [SPEAKER_03]: moxies, halos, things like that, the yes with those were still getting those results six plus weeks out, but if it's something that is targeting pigments specifically, you're going to see those results almost immediately once you're done healing from the laser because it lifts the pigment where I'm eye-ceningling.

4:06 [SPEAKER_03]: can help with pigmentation, but in a different way where it's not necessarily lifting that pigment, but it's better for collagen stimulation, which is the long game. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And then texture and, you know, acne, scarring, scarring in general. [SPEAKER_03]: And so sometimes I grew with you the people that said, oh, I didn't see results, that might not have been the best treatment for them specifically. [SPEAKER_01]: And this treatment is a, it's based on a series. [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's best to do this treatment in a series or as a program. [SPEAKER_01]: I know I have some clients that they want to do it every six weeks. [SPEAKER_01]: and that's their program. [SPEAKER_01]: And they're seeing results because they're trying to reverse.

4:46 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not trying to maintain. [SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to reverse. [SPEAKER_01]: And so by doing it every six weeks, it's minimal downtime compared to laser, minimal ugly time compared to some of the IPLs. [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's just it's a road to get to the results that you're winning. [SPEAKER_01]: So you're not, it's not an overnight thing. [SPEAKER_01]: You have the right expectations when you're going into this. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not plastic surgery. [SPEAKER_02]: Also like some people have thicker skin like one of my clients has really thick skin. [SPEAKER_02]: We did one session and okay, how I do my macronadelines. [SPEAKER_02]: I always start off a little bit more shallow because I like to see what your skin can handle. [SPEAKER_02]: Because I have had those horror stories of, oh, I got macronadelines once and I end up with what looked like chicken scratches on my face or I had PIAH or something happened.

5:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So I always start my clients off lighter for their first macronadeline to see what their skin can handle. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: And have a heal. [SPEAKER_02]: And so I'll have clients that have thicker skin that are like, oh, I don't see anything happen. [SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna take a couple more sessions because we got breakthrough all that sun damage and muscles are the clients that come from the age of taming bits. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: And throwing in something like a medium-dead peel or a VIP peel, and the clean the sessions is going to stimulate that collagen then you're gonna help to lift some more of that pigment then you're gonna stimulate the collagen. [SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of it is the treatment program, the treatment plan. [SPEAKER_02]: I have to say, if you're from like, maybe it's not 40s, but like 50s in above, I would I would like to get a fancy pair.

6:11 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm just saying, okay, she was looking at me when she saw this because Christian was one that did the baby oil and the tanning beds, like twice a week and stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: So those that come from that did a lot in the sun, rotating the marketing and a VIP all best. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because you're going to look at it. [SPEAKER_01]: Some of that sun damage, that pigment damage is really deep. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's what we did back at the 70s, 80s, and 90s is all of that damage. [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's going to take time to reprogram those melanocytes to where they're not releasing all that excess pigment. [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's where, you know, adding the peels in the micro-needling together or, you know, in a series, is going to be the best benefit for you. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's just, you know, that's just, you know, that's just, you know, that's just [SPEAKER_01]: between you and your esthetician or you and your provider is kind of coming up with the best plan, but don't knock my canyling completely out until you've tried to try it in different scenarios.

7:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I was also saying a base of four to six treatments for your first series, but depending on like your skin thickness and how deep some of the active acne scars or wrinkles are, it may be more of an 8 to 10. [SPEAKER_02]: for your first series length. [SPEAKER_02]: So it all depends on your skin and what you're trying to achieve before you do maintenance. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think that's where, like, if you are interested in migrating because it is such an incredible treatment that making sure that you don't just call and say, yeah, I want to book a series of migrating things and expect, you know, ex results when you haven't sat down and talked to your service provider about, hey, these are my skin concerns, I am very interested in migrating, but is this the right treatment for my skin because.

7:49 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure, you can go in and get whatever laser, whatever micro dealing, whatever peel, but if that's not right for your skin concerns, you may be very disappointed when you're done healing with well, this didn't touch XYZ concern and I don't think it made a difference. [SPEAKER_01]: we're going to go back to the 50s and overs. [SPEAKER_01]: It's good to start, you know, more aggressive laser, especially when you're looking at sun damage at lasers or peels, throw in those peels, and do it in a series where, you know, then the McNeiline becomes more of a [SPEAKER_01]: maintenance, continuing to stimulate the collagen, because as we get older, our last one in college and really drop off. [SPEAKER_01]: And so we need to constantly be mindful that we need to keep stimulating that.

8:32 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very important not to think that you have one treatment, and so you're going to have all these wonderful results, because this is not a one treatment type of program. [SPEAKER_02]: And that also goes back to our consultations. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, what we say in almost every episode is realistic expectations, as providers, make sure we set those, set our clients down, set those with them. [SPEAKER_01]: To kind of step on the next thing that Kelsey was probably going to bring up is the type of product that you're micro-needling into the skin. [SPEAKER_01]: And I know that there was a point in time when PRP, the vampire facials was the big thing. [SPEAKER_01]: And I was never a super fan of that just because you [SPEAKER_01]: like ingredients out of your blood and then you're putting it right back on your skin.

9:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's like you need to have that upper level type of ingredients or type of product like exosomes, pdrn and that you're putting in that's going to help to assist your own skin mechanisms. [SPEAKER_02]: Well that and what you put on afterwards, make sure your hair is going to complement [SPEAKER_03]: you are pairing with micro dealing. [SPEAKER_03]: So there's a lot of things that, you know, technically in the United States, like, are not FDA approved to be micronal to end, which is pretty much everything because they haven't been clinically studied with a micro dealing device. [SPEAKER_03]: So they're not FDA approved.

9:56 [SPEAKER_03]: But you do have to be very cautious and make sure that you trust the surface provider that you're going to potentially asking them what they're microaling in because there are instances that there are certain things that even shouldn't be used topically after microaling because they can create nodules in the skin and so to your point, that's where making sure that you listen to your service provider of like using certain products if they tell you to use XYZ aftercare, it is super important to follow that and don't just go put whatever on your skin [SPEAKER_03]: other reactions or other issues in the skin too. [SPEAKER_02]: And I will say, if you kind of may say, oh, I have these lines. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I want to fix these acne scars and you want to do your micro-needling, I am going to recommend products not to be a sales person, but because you're already spending the money on the treatments to get where you want to go that that is one treatment one time a month.

10:47 [SPEAKER_02]: We got to put the right products in every single day to make your treatment the most, make the most out of your money, I guess. [SPEAKER_02]: Our biggest bang for your buck. [SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to spend a couple hundred dollars on micronataling for each session, like you want to be protecting that in light taking care of that. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to just go to the next one. [SPEAKER_02]: You get the best results, too, because people like to talk. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So I want you to be saying great things about me and your results. [SPEAKER_02]: So the products I recommend is not just to sell you. [SPEAKER_02]: It's to get you where you're wanting to go. [SPEAKER_01]: When we ask you what what's your budget? [SPEAKER_01]: Give us the budget and we will try to find a product. [SPEAKER_01]: Even if it's one product that we [SPEAKER_01]: that can help enhance your results from micro-needling.

11:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's definitely worth the purchase. [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, micro-needling is kind of, it's not super budget-friendly, but it's a more budget-friendly type of treatment that can help you to improve your results. [SPEAKER_01]: And so when you're debating, oh, I want to go and do a big laser treatment, but that's like one time, not always as budget-friendly, [SPEAKER_01]: where I can go and do micro-negling and then be able to afford to maintain it and do one every six weeks. [SPEAKER_01]: That's the one great thing about micro-negling. [SPEAKER_02]: We'll work around your budget too. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's saying when it comes to products. [SPEAKER_02]: Like if you give me a budget, I can maybe start with one part here.

12:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Another product there. [SPEAKER_02]: But I just want you to get the most out of your treatments that you're paying me to do because I want you to tell your friends you love it, [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like we talked about, like the boosters and add-on to your microdaling. [SPEAKER_03]: There's so many different things across the board. [SPEAKER_03]: I actually like there's a newer version of PRP called PRF. [SPEAKER_03]: It's played a rich fiber and it's clinically been proven to have more growth factors in mesenchymal stem cells in there, which is a little bit better for you, but again, it's coming from you. [SPEAKER_03]: So with PRF PRP, [SPEAKER_03]: If you are on the healthier side of things, you're absolutely going to have way better results if you're hydrated, if you're eating nutrient-dense foods, those are great add-ons.

12:52 [SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, looking at PDR in, polynucleotides, but that's where it comes down to like the weight, the molecular weight of polynucleotides necessarily can't always penetrate with microdaling. [SPEAKER_03]: So making sure you go somewhere that you know that they've picked good products and it's not just something that they've been given for free from a vendor because they're buying [SPEAKER_03]: X amount of Botox and they're just, you know, adding it on because of that, like that super important as well. [SPEAKER_03]: And then adding to the treatment afterwards. [SPEAKER_03]: So I know we talked about this with products, but potentially sheet masks. [SPEAKER_03]: We love carboxy therapy. [SPEAKER_01]: So then we go to lift pro adding that on after. [SPEAKER_01]: That would be our gold micro nailing or micro nailing gold.

13:32 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, those are all going to really help with what your results are afterwards versus just having a micrinated link versus having a micrinated link potentially having a booster use afterwards and then adding carboxy therapy on and using a really good at home product. [SPEAKER_03]: The person that is doing all of the extra is going to have way better results than somebody who's just doing [SPEAKER_03]: putting XYZs before a product on their face. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a summer left your skin with sun damage, uneven spots, and dull texture. [SPEAKER_00]: It's time for a skin reset. [SPEAKER_00]: Try IPL, VIPiles, or micro-needling to refresh and rejuvenate your skin.

14:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Download our app amazingly, ageless and book your appointment online today or give us a call. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's do some before micro reading do's and don't. [SPEAKER_03]: So I would say what's what's a do before micro kneeling I said hydrate do before is hydrate you know look at your skincare regimen I think that healthy prepped skin before micro kneeling is so important if you start at a healthy state [SPEAKER_03]: Then we create micro injuries to your skin and then you're healing after you are going to have a way better experience. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: And truthfully again, a better result than if you start at a place that your skin isn't in the healthiest state. [SPEAKER_03]: You're not hydrated.

14:55 [SPEAKER_03]: Then you may have good results, but the other person's going to have better. [SPEAKER_03]: I have a lot of things to do. [SPEAKER_02]: And we, I feel, I like to start them. [SPEAKER_02]: Have them come for a consultation and get started on, like, see what they're already using at home, put in, like, high-long acid or some kind of serum that is going to prep their skin to be ready for micro-neighng, so they can. [SPEAKER_02]: One, I think heel better. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you know, they're not taking as long to heel. [SPEAKER_03]: I think the other do would be planning for, you know, downtime. [SPEAKER_03]: I think the downside with my couldn't even or like ugly time is Kristen called it on the last show was it's not as long. [SPEAKER_03]: You're not needing, you know, five to seven days, but you are needing 24 to 48 hours of no makeup just sunscreen.

15:37 [SPEAKER_03]: things like that. [SPEAKER_03]: So if you're coming in to get a micrarily, yes, your redness may be down within 24 48 hours. [SPEAKER_03]: But if you have a huge event to go to on a Saturday and you're coming in on a Thursday and you need to wear a full face and make up like let's either push you earlier in the week or let's just do it after that event. [SPEAKER_02]: Because like a lot of mine go to work like they wear full face makeup to work and think. [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we plan for doing it on a Friday so you don't have to go to work on the weekend. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah, absolutely. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that Don't is, think about the products that you've used before hand. [SPEAKER_01]: And things that you may not think that is important to us is like, you're a kind of environment see you, please list. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like your medication, blood thinners. [SPEAKER_01]: Don't do. [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be profaned before you come in. [SPEAKER_01]: Tyler knows fine, but no, I'd be profaned.

16:17 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't drink alcohol. [SPEAKER_01]: Don't drink alcohol. [SPEAKER_01]: If you really offer coffee. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you're on a GLP, you're right. [SPEAKER_01]: Let us know because that's going to make it easier for you to bruise. [SPEAKER_01]: And so things that you may not think that we need to know we do need to know just because that can make the recovery a lot easier. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not that we can't do that treatment if you're on a GLP or if you've been on off of your retinal for two days, I'm something like that, but we can modify the depth on which we're going to make sure that we don't cause excessive injury. [SPEAKER_03]: I would say don't be out in the sun like don't you know sit in the sun Well, we're going to the floor after going into winter or any bed. [SPEAKER_03]: So do not do any beds wind huge one absolutely. [SPEAKER_02]: As we're going into winter, the cold wind that is not lean on.

16:59 [SPEAKER_01]: No riding horses outside and in the cold where the wind will blow on your face. [SPEAKER_02]: So never texture barrier. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't sweat. [SPEAKER_03]: I'd say 2440 hours. [SPEAKER_03]: after because again we've created those micro injuries and those micro holes in your skin that we don't want bacteria to get in. [SPEAKER_03]: The main thing to think about is that 24 to 48 hours is do I want this in my skin? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because your skin is ready to absorb. [SPEAKER_03]: I can add to the do list, I would say do change your pillowcase. [SPEAKER_00]: I always tell my clients it's a good time to change your pillowcase. [SPEAKER_03]: And don't wash them with a fabric softener. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and also after you get your treatment done don't go and take a hot steamy shower. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, stay out of the hot tub stay out of the steam because it's going to face was tight.

17:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to fire. [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to is going to cost you to. [SPEAKER_01]: to get a little hotter. [SPEAKER_01]: If you've got more questions, post them in the comments section. [SPEAKER_01]: I will try to get to you. [SPEAKER_01]: I think Kelsey was going through and reading a lot of the comments on the Instagram and the TikTok and she tried to answer some of them. [SPEAKER_01]: We've got some amazing estheticians that are adding to that conversation, and so some thank you for that. [SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate you. [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate you. [SPEAKER_02]: Showed up. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, guys love microaling as much as we love microaling and I love to see it. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a great treatment that is not going to be going out of style or out of trend anytime soon. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm for the haters, I don't care. [SPEAKER_02]: There was only like a couple, but there were a couple of haters on Kels, and that's my name.

18:26 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I could never be an influencer for those reasons. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not, I'm not made for this. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care, because it came to work, and she's like, this thing we're so mean. [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, there may be like five main goals. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but then text it, I know that I was in good place. [SPEAKER_03]: So thank you guys. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, thank you guys for all the nice comments we appreciate it. [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're interested in learning more about micro-nealine or interested in a treatment, go to the link in our description or check out our website. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, thank you guys for hanging out with me. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank y'all for hanging out with us, and we'll see you all next week. [SPEAKER_02]: Bye! [SPEAKER_02]: Bye!