3 Peptides That Will Actually Change Your Life

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would do Reddit TrueTide, CJC, Ipermullin, and NAD.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those three peptides will change your life in how you feel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Reddit TrueTide, the third mechanism of action, the Glucodon receptor in the liver, it's what separates Reddit TrueTide from Thursday's Epititin SemigluTide.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a phenomenon that seems to make women more fertile on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On Reddit TrueTide and Thursday's Epititin SemigluTide.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I am Kim Peters, and welcome back to the Allumine podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are continuing our second of our dive into peptides, what they can do for you, where we're at in the industry, where we're going, and how you is either an individual consumer or practitioner can better enhance access to these things or provide them in your practice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm here with Ben again, thanks for coming on, Ben.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks again for allowing me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we talked about the last thing that where we ended was we talked about the different categories of kind of where we would categorize with the pillars of peptides.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now we're going to kind of dive into them individually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to ask you kind of about different ones and if you can kind of give me some information about what they do and how we might be able to utilize them that would be awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's BPC 157 as the one I hear about the most, so can you tell us a little bit about that peptide?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, BPC-157 is probably the most popular peptide that is one of the worst peptides I ever did, and it stands for body protection compound.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It exists in the gastric juices in the stomach already.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The primary purpose of BPC is it operates via angiogenesis, so it's an anti-inflammatory peptide that

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[SPEAKER_01]: works by creating new blood vessels.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's primary benefit, I would say it would be tendon, joint, and ligament issues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, anything soft tissue and tears and things like that, I would really say TB500 is a bit better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But BPC also has a lot of benefits for gut health,

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[SPEAKER_01]: building the gut lining and some cold and health as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there is some claims too in terms of what it can do for the brain and some cardiovascular systems, but I really try to just focus primarily on like joint tendon ligament, even the gut issues, I would still air towards like KPV for specific gut issues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say KPV is a better solution, but anything joint tendon and ligament, I think BPC is phenomenal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a difference?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know BPC 157, you can either inject or there's an oral version of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think it has different, like is it have a better strength in the gut health if you take it orally?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not big at all on any peptides orally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: With that being said, BPC is one of the peptides that oral bite-hassen efficacy and I would say it would be for gut issues, yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and then while you mentioned KPV, tell me a little bit about that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so KPV is an anti-inflammatory peptide.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't work via injury or genesis, like BPC and TB 500.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it has a kind of a wide range of benefits similarly to KPV, but with that being said, it really shines for gut health and colon health, particularly things like IBS and Leaky Gut.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you have four lining in your gut, it's very good at repairing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it can help a lot of IBS symptoms as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I will, I'm just going to kind of add to that a little bit as far as like the good health.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a thing called leaky gut syndrome and the the theory here is that we have the good bacteria in the bad bacteria in our gut and there's a certain balance that needs to be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have both inevitably but there needs to be a certain balance there where we have more good than bad sometimes that teeters in the wrong direction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when we have an over abundance of bad bacteria, then what we should have, it does break down the lining in the intestinal wall, which can create some like a better word cracks in the lining, which allows things to pass through that intestinal wall into the bloodstream that may cause some problems.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's usually a pretty low level, just like inflammation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then it creates all these vague symptoms like fatigue, brain fog, it affects your hormone function, it affects your sleep, so on and so forth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a whole other deep dive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But my understanding is that these peptides can help repair that process.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that would probably go pair really well with, I would imagine, with like a prebiotic probiotic supplement as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Totally cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So IBS got issues in general and that in somebody who even doesn't necessarily have got issues would still benefit for something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What about TB 500?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So TB500, like I said, it's the stronger of the two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It has a much, when we're talking about BPC in my opinion, it's a much better peptide overall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can dose it less frequently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that blends are very common, but it does have a long half-life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So TB500 alone, you just do twice a week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that it is at a vantage versus BPC where it's recommended that you do seven days per week, do the short half-life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_01]: TB500 really, really shines for soft tissue injuries and tears, and it is an overall stronger anti-inflammatory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you just have generalized inflammation, TB500 I think is the best bet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a bit more pricey compared to BPC, but I think overall it is a stronger anti-inflammatory peptide, and you'll re-align that it does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the motility, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the TB 500 will carry the BPC to the injury.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the TB 500 is kind of like the vessel, but there's really no, like hard evidence for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of just a claim and the like motility claim.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think overall, you know, BPC 157 does have a fair enough side effects compared to other peptides, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like elevated heart rate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then some people experience insomnia on BPC 157

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people who take BKC 157 too long can report anodonia, TB500, you don't really see that stuff whatsoever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you had somebody that was experiencing injury, maybe like minor yours, it was a knee injury, a soft tissue injury, I guess is what we'll just say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Versus somebody who's just looking for general anti-inflammatory and injured like tissue recovery, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like the opposition to that would be somebody that maybe just works out and wants some help with recovery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So going back to the person that's injured, you would probably air towards using twice a week of the

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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone who's injured, I would use Wolverine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The someone has a proper injury, I would do both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they work very well together and I would do both if I could.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone who just wanted some gut benefits and I would just do BPC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone with just a muscle to like generalize inflammation, I would just do T.B.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if someone has an actual identifiable injury like on my shoulders, there's something wrong with my knee, definitely I would do both Wolverine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, for clarity, the Wolverine stack, that's the nickname for BPC-157 and TB-500.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Grape.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other one I want to talk about, that I know that it's stacked with those quite frequently is the GHK Copperpeptide.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when we were in the previous episode, when we were kind of talking, I forgot I wanted to mention this, but we were talking about how it's, when you start a peptide, it's a little bit scary, and then you realize it's really not quite that big of a deal, and you're putting a little bit more into it than it deserves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the thing that caught me off guard was the fact that a peptide, the stack that has copper peptide in it is bright blue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is something that when you're preparing to inject yourself with something that's bright blue, there is some hesitation there, understandably.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That one caught me off guard and I think every, if I ever forget to tell a patient that, I'll get a message and say, is it supposed to be blue?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's a little bit intimidating, but tell us a little bit

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so GHKCU is the quintessential beauty peptide, and it's always talented as that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It does a much more than that, but yeah, the primary uses are gonna be like increasing collagen production, skin elasticity, it's great for skin hair and nails, and people notice these things pretty quickly, like a lot of other peptides, there's gonna be times where people like, I don't know if it's doing anything right, like GHK, you,

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[SPEAKER_01]: can really notice the aesthetic benefit like people will compliment your skin and your eyelashes grow quicker and people absolutely love yours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's great because it's one of the most affordable peptides.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not very expensive to make.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not very expensive to sell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It does have steaming sensation that typically passes after about two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it does have a little bit of irritation and injection site.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Believe it or not, it's going to be an indicator of quality for your disease.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You want your GHK to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're just shot GHK for the first time and you're not feeling anything, I'd be concerned about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's legitimacy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it does typically...

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[SPEAKER_01]: pass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now with that being said, it is how it has the beauty peptide and it should as it should be, but it does show a lot of benefits for potential healing in regards to nerves and also it can accelerate wound healing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it does have regenerative qualities as well and I think that's why people pair it with BPC and the TB 500 because it does have wound healing acceleration as well as

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[SPEAKER_00]: the beauty aspect of it and then wound repair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So being a medspot owner, we do a lot of procedures where we are opening break the skin barrier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So micro-needling lasers and there might just not be enough research behind it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is anybody putting that directly on the area?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like saying you're doing micro-needling and then you're just putting it on the skin right afterwards or are they micro-needling it in or is this something that's better utilized injected?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a huge proponent that subcutaneous is always going to be the best route with that being said similarly to how BPC is one of the only peptides that works that I'm fine with in the oral GHK basic not GHKCU is just a basic form of the the compact time and what it is really becoming popular for micro needling and it's you're going to find it in skin creams and people do apply topically so you know

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[SPEAKER_01]: GHK and snap A are the two main peptides that we see topically added to the skin if you are doing topical GHK and you're not doing subcutaneous GHK You are going to be missing out on some of the collagen benefits as well as the wound healing acceleration and the nerve benefits But it is a peptide that is being popularized in micro-nealine and skin applications

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[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and that stack, which is the glow stack where they've got a BPC 157 TB500, and then the copper peptide.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, GH, K, C, U.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, in my office, I've nicknamed them the girl in the boy peptide.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, the girl peptide is the one with the copper and the boy one is the one that's Wolverine because it sounds like something a boy would want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, not that men shouldn't pay attention to their skin and collagen and hair nails and stuff like that, but that's typically the direction my gender wise that's where they they lean towards and then I have also seen KPV also layered in there and they call that clow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we have all four of those in there clow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now what I did notice is that the dosing gets a little bit tricky after

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're adding close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So tell me about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So not as much for flow because close typically 25 milligrams of GHK.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem with glow is it's become a very popular peptide on TikTok and it's like a buzzword.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So people will see that the glow kept tight and it's just an extremely strong anti-inflammatory peptide.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is the dosing, unheared fan of Wolverine dosing because it's 10 and 10, 10 milligrams of BPC-157, and it's 10 milligrams of TB-500, so it's easy to get the ratios proper, appropriate for TB-500.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem with glow is

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[SPEAKER_01]: in order to get the right amount of TB 500, you kind of have to dose it pretty high.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll explain what I mean by that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So typically, Glows is going to be 50 milligrams of GHK, 10 milligrams of BPC, 10 milligrams of TB 500.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you follow like traditional protocols, which 10 to 15 units give or take, that's going to be 1.6 milligrams of GHKCU, which is fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the problem is it's going to be 330 milligrams of TB 500 and 330 milligrams of BPC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 330 micrograms would be because he's not an inherently an issue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would like to see like 500 but 330 micrograms of TBA is not enough in my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you want to see TBA much higher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would like to see TBA 500 higher and because of that, I really, if someone has an injury, I really do

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[SPEAKER_01]: prefer Wolverine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would do Wolverine and then GHK separately ideally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the glow, you do with a lot of women and men who are experiencing just generalize inflammation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think glows really good for just inflammation, not at injury specific peptide.

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[SPEAKER_01]: primarily for the don't scene.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Glow does have a place in medspawns and it's extremely popular.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now back to the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, does have a place in medspaw and it's extremely popular.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that does seem aspect of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When we're talking about an actual injury, I would air towards Wolverine versus

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and so in some circumstances in summary, it would be better just to separate those rather than, I mean, it seems convenient to put them all in a vial together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would just do TV 500, PPC, separate if you're injured, because you can get the dosy really where you want it to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where you want it to be, got it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Moving on to another category that I get a lot of questions about is the like we got CJC, Epimoralyn, Testimoralyn, Semoralyn, can you kind of give me some information about how to separate those, how differentiated what would be a better idea, what wouldn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So CJC, Epimoralyn is the most common and it's primarily because it's extremely

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[SPEAKER_01]: CJC is a growth hormone releasing hormone, and they work synergistically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The CJC increases the IGF one that is made in your body.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe it's three to four times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I epimeralin alone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Epimeralin alone is just a growl in the medic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It actually doesn't increase IGF one down stream like CJC or Tessa Merlin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But epimeralin is a growl in the medic, and it can make you feel hungry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing that's good about epimeralin,

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[SPEAKER_01]: and what I really look at at the melanas is an anti-aging peptide because it has a very strong and very safe profile.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to increase cortisol or a prolactic like a lot of the other peptides can do after a long after prolonged use and it's going to really help you sleep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the melanin is very gentle compared to the other ones, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So alone it's more of an anti-aging peptide that's going to be good for skin hair and nails.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to help you sleep, but it's not really going to get your IGF1 levels where you want them to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I build muscle typically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where the CJC comes in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Somorlin was actually FDA proved in the 90s for pediatric tootary growth hormone deficiency.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's what is actually FDA proof for is very popular because compounding pharmacy still make it because it was FDA proofed in the 90s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it became popular because it is one of the only growth hormone releasing peptides that was available from compounding pharmacies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The thing with some more than is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: unlike other, unlike other growth homeowner leasing peptides, it works better, the younger you are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the idea is, it's been more functioned if the two tarry gland is, the better, some more than the work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why you don't want to see people in their 40s, 50s and 60s taking some more land.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because it just doesn't work as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say Tessa Merlin and April Merlin and CJC in terms of raising their IG of one levels.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is a very common misconception about Merlin because it's made in compounding pharmacies and because it's very popular, people think that everyone should take it when reality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the peptides that they younger you are, that better it's going to be, which is

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[SPEAKER_01]: counter-intuitive to a lot of people who are coming into medsponsored clinics, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But anti-aging perspective, they really want something that's going to increase their IGF1 levels, and Somorlin will do that, but you just kind of got to be wary, you know, 40s is probably fine 30s is probably fine, but when you get people who are starting to get up there in an age, I would kind of take them away from Somorlin in that would do something like CJC Eva.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a problem with it taking it, or is it just that it's just not,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's an alien problem right in the sense that there's like contraindications and issues inside of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think it's going to be as effective as a school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But whether you get it was designed for pediatrics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So why would someone want to increase their IGF?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Magia phone levels are going to, it's going to help you sleep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to help you build muscle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The lower your IGF one levels are, you're at more risk of diabetes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your bones will be more brittle and you're at more risk of breaks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is particularly important for women.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But...

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that the main reason people want that appropriate IGF1 levels is going to be for preserving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: From an edsball clinic, it's going to be for preserving muscle mass and body composition and helping with your sleep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then because your sleep is so, it is so much to give you so much more improved, it's going to really help with skin hair and nails and directly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, why mean your metabolism improves if you sleep?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you tell me anything about testimonial in that I should know or anyone should know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an FDA-proof peptide for lipoadestrophy, which is going to be what happens when people get a lot of visceral belly fat and it was created for HIV patients who were suffering from lipoadestrophy due to the other medications they were taking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, just a.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so testimonial and specifically targets this real belly fat, the fat around the organs, which is what causes a lot of disease and issues in the body.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is one of the price here peptides.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People either love it or they hate it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about 50-50.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It can be a bit finicky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the sense that women who take it can hold water quite a bit, and some people do experience of histamine reactions in terms of wells, and it also can be finicky in the sense of storage, so it can be a peptide that it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's intended to be used very quickly because it has a long chain of amino acids, it's about 48.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what that means is there's more opportunities for degradation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you won't your Tesla Moreland to be used to a thin about a week, or also it could gel or get cloudy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is very common with with Fescent Moreland.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it can be a bit of a pain sometimes, but the people who do love it absolutely love it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It can really shred your midsection and help people build muscle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But with that being said,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to do nearly as much as a GLP1 in terms of belly fat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's be clear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I get a lot of people who are like, yeah, I want to lose weight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to take a test of moral and you should be taking a GLP1.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Test of moral and will help this role belly fat don't get me wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if someone wants to lose weight, there's nothing that's going to hold a candle to a GLP1.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, nothing like, you know, AOD is pretty popular.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But nothing is going to really do what a GLP1 does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's dive into the GLP1.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we've got assembly tied, terseptide, reditude tied.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My understanding is assembly tied, we're someone receptor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Terseptide works on two and reditude tied works on three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have tried all three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: my personal favorite is right a true tide.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel and in the patients that I've been using this end, I feel like they are not experiencing any side effects and we are getting more effective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a better effectiveness at lower doses where

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[SPEAKER_00]: With semi-glutite, I'm going to have more of the side effect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to have more of the upset stomach nausea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Granted, I do like with semi-glutite that there's just, I can really tinker with the dose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's more cost-effective and it's been around longer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's some value to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as far as, like, if I wasn't considering the cost and stuff like that, yes, it turns up to, I worked a little bit better, less side effect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in my experience, I found like I had to get people

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[SPEAKER_00]: more often up to higher doses for it to be effective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But reticutitis that's been the best one so far by far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we have in our office we have a seekest scanner which checks our body composition and pretty accurately looks at fat, visceral fat, and muscle mass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we can trend it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're seeing that our patients on reticutitis, their muscle mass is going up and their fat mass is going down, which is really cool to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know there's an element of it that does support that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, totally retry type blows the other two out of the water.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Turns out the tide does seem to have a stronger affinity for food noise cancellation, and some people do really love, turns out the tide's still more than retry type.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's rare, but about 10 to 15 percent of people have an issue switching from high dose, turns out the tide's retry type.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of like a phenomenon that it's not completely understood right now, but if people are on,

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[SPEAKER_01]: 12 to 15 milligrams for a year and they're like, oh, well, I want to do redattrootide now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a seamless transition and sometimes people who switch from the turns up a time to the redattrootide don't like it and it doesn't work as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If someone's going to be on a high dose of turns up a time and switch to redattrootide, I do recommend a washout period of a couple months or what a lot of people do do is they introduce the redattrootide slowly while they drop the turns up a time, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they'll be on both for a short period of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll talk space on some of the glue tied really quick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Same glue tie is probably the strongest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just pure GLP1 and people can really lose a lot of weight on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where you see kind of like those epic face and people are like, oh my god, you see that people on Hollywood, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's because people on some of the glue tied don't really eat that much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that can be an issue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So people can really strip a lot on the same glue tie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like you said, it is very well studied.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been an hour for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you do a properly, you can eat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, not every case is going to be somewhat tripling up and looking kind of, um, but some of the gluteide is not my favorite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not whatever I recommend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Typically, I would always kind of start with the tears up a tighter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're red at true tide, but the red at true tide, the third mechanism of action, the gluca genre sector in the liver, it's what separates red at true tide from tears up a tight in some of gluteide.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it seems that people on red at true tide are

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[SPEAKER_01]: where reddish-routied really shines is the portion size is significantly smaller and people stayed full much longer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So people are able to eat a bit more on it, but because of that, so people preserve a bit of muscle and it does have a place in microdocene, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So people are able to take a

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[SPEAKER_01]: 0.5 milligrams or a milligrams still lose the significant amount of weight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no direct milligram per milligram equivalent to trusepatide.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are completely different medications and must be introduced as such.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But with that being said, it does seem milligram per milligram or a true tide is significantly stronger, and it seems to have a much wider range of benefits for women particularly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It seems that men lose weight quicker on it, but the overall benefits

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[SPEAKER_01]: four women is greater with reditruteides.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So particularly things like PCOS and anecdotally a lot of women seem to have much less intense menstrual symptoms on it and they seem to feel much more clarity in their minds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's that being said?

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are some

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[SPEAKER_01]: phenomenon, it's not really a phenomenon, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it can make birth control ineffective, but that's just due to delayed gastrodempting, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you can take birth control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just takes a long time to digest, so that's something to be aware of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there is a phenomenon that seems to make women more fertile on it, on retachutite and trisepotite and semi-glutite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, these are things to be aware of as a woman on it, but anecdotally the women feel amazing on retachutite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: my interpretation of the fertility thing is like if I mean before we had any of these whatsoever, if we had a woman that was grossly overweight, trying to get pregnant usually it was because their hormone, they had a lot of hormone dysfunction due to that was somewhat related to obesity or being overweight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they lost weight and then their hormones sinked like everything sinked up and everything was working away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's supposed to, which is a good thing, but that increases their fertility, which that can happen to someone that wants to be pregnant and then it could also happen to someone who doesn't want to be pregnant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, we do kind of give some warning there that that can happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I love to hear that you're specifically kind of talking about how this can benefit women or women seem to really be successful with this GLP one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So far, everyone that I put on it, it's just been a huge success.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One whole thing I'll say to forget is so after about...

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[SPEAKER_01]: A year, the total weight loss is actually similar, and then right at Shrutite enters Epitite, it's very similar in the studies, but where right at Shrutite people tend to lose weight much quicker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, for the first three months, people can lose weight much more rapidly than Shrutite, but then at Pantos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's good to know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shrutite is a bit more constant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you mentioned AOD 96, 9604, AOD.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I honestly personally have not learned it really much of anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know it plays a role in weight loss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you kind of explain how that works?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not Australian drug, it stands for anti-OBC drug, it's a fragment of HCH.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So AOD is just a small fragment of HCH that, and it's a particular fragment that metabolizes fat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The weight loss is much less than a GLP1, but some people say three to four pounds after a couple months.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Typically, so it's nothing is extreme.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people do like it, and not extremely well-versed in AOD.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really study it too much, and I don't really...

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[SPEAKER_01]: have too many people talking to me about it too frequently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it, you know, it does have a place in weight loss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If someone does have that risk for migillary thyroid cancer, and they want to stay away from the GLP one, but they do still want to lose weight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's where AOD would really be beneficial.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does anybody take them together?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would, you know, something like, I wouldn't probably take a GLP one with something like a moxc if you wanted to go that route, because for fact, oxidization moxc is probably a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll tell me about moxc.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's the mitochondrial powerhouse peptide that everyone's obsessed with right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's booming in popularity when we first started selling peptides, and it was not really very popular at all, and now it's, I think it's our number two selling peptide behind GHK, exempt from all the GLP-1, what people report the most of is going to be increased energy levels.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it does increase metabolic uptick so people do experience weight loss and People it just gives people tons of energy in the gym That's the main reason people take I think that it's really good for energy But it is a mitochondrial peptide so it's supposed to repair the mitochondria in the body It's touted as an exercise medic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm always wary of claims like that But it's supposed to simulate exercise in the body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I heard that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean like whatever maybe

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[SPEAKER_01]: You may wait over that means, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to notice, yeah, there are good amount of studies that are coming out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And people just love motzy, people love motzy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like the peptide form of pre-workout sort of sounds like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Work out in a, how do you take it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like is this something you take in the morning?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you take it every day?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you take it for a period of time?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And stop for a period of time?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you pose a dose?

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[SPEAKER_01]: When we started this, we were much more stringent with what we had read and heard about, you know, protocols and last see was one of the peptides that you did 21 days on, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you would dose it three days a week for 21 days for the first week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You would do five milligrams of for the second week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You would do 10 milligrams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you could do this quarterly or buy yearly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Things have changed so much with Mascine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's becoming very common is people will just take Mascine for a couple months every three days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They'll take five milligrams every three days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not as strict as it once was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK. Is it a morning day or does it matter?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Morning for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Morning for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, NAD on essential ingredient in our mitochondria, that helps generate energy, which is the powerhouse of ourselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as we get older, our ability to generate NAD declines, that factory or that process kind of shuts down or becomes less efficient.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's some thought process of like, let's repair the process versus let's replace the NAD.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know NAD can be done through a,

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[SPEAKER_00]: IV, which is kind of a large bolus of it, and you have to slow it down, because you want to absorb it appropriately, and also there's some side effects with doing that, as well as injecting sub-Q, I don't know if this is the right way to say it, I call it microdosing NAD, so rather than getting a big influx of NAD, you're kind of getting a little bit of it anywhere from it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lutify on you should introduce to the body over a period of time to keep it stable in the bloodstream That's the most wet beneficial way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I am obsessed with NAD.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do it three times a week I do 30 milligrams and every patient that I put on it definitely notices a difference in their energy level and just how they feel They just feel good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, NAD

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[SPEAKER_01]: is one of those peptides that similarly to Tessa Moreling, people either love it, or they can live without it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a bit anecdotal in the sense that it's an end, first of all, it's not a peptide, it's an enzyme, so it's chemically different than a peptide.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bye.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It does lack human studies, so a lot of things really are anecdotal, but what that being said, there are some studies coming out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Due to the insane amount of interest in it, I know for a fact there's going to be tons of studies coming out right now, but as of right now, it is a bit anecdotal and people just kind of tend to feel good on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: the primary benefit is going to be decreased brain fog.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be increased energy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I took an idea, what I noticed is my memory was much sharper, and I seemed to sleep really well on it, which was interesting to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, there's good amount of studies on it's benefit to the blood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, like you were saying, you need...

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[SPEAKER_01]: The concept behind an AD is that as we age, your body loses an AD, and your cells will start to go looking for an AD, which will increase self-sensiveness and up autosis by just making the cells work harder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of the theory behind an AD.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, people either love it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that people hate it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just some people can live without it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But people would love an AD, tend to love it, AD and the whole.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's theoretically the older you are, the better it should be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Last one I wanna ask you about, which is one I recently brought on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've rooped some benefits from that, is a slank and some acts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Primarily, that's for like cognition, correct?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So tell me a little bit about those peptides.

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[SPEAKER_01]: very, very well-studied peptides in Eastern Europe and Russia, and like I was saying earlier, or I believe on the first episode, they are prescribed in Russia by what would be the equivalent to the FDA in America, and there's tons of data and studies on some acts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Samax is typically going to be for energy and focus, and I would recommend it to a young professional who was suffering from burnout, and it has

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[SPEAKER_01]: is struggling to focus at work with energy, people really love it for that and there's a lot of studies, but there's also a lot of studies on what it can do for post-stroke benefits and rebuilding neuronal connections in the brain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it can have some potential brain repair benefits for people who have suffered like a traumatic brain injury from a practice perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's primarily for people who just are suffering from burnout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: Want to focus more at work and things like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how I'd recommend some ask, but there's a there's a good amount of that on it So link is more of the anti anxiety mood increasing of the two does work on the gather receptor in the brain Which is similar to like a benzodiazepine off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not gonna feel anything like that, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's studies that show that it does versus

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[SPEAKER_01]: work on the gather receptors in the brain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say it's the more popular of the two because people really do notice a difference.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People who have our suffering from anxiety tend to really love selling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are used in conjunction commonly and people love using them together, but they're extremely well studied and I'm a big proponent of these two prototypes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of data you can read on them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: people use them synergistically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They work together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are the benefits appreciated pretty soon after they start it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just that you can notice those pretty quickly compared to other peptides.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think that is all we have time for, that was fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You are a wealth of knowledge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I learned so much today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm excited for everyone else to kind of root the benefits from this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my last question, if you could choose one peptide stack for routine over wellness, overall wellness, what would it be?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's that too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't read it through time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would do read it through time, CJC, Upper Melon and NAD.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those three peptides will change your life and how you feel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, everyone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for joining us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like always, have a great day.