Navigating Through the Jungle of AI

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell it to go in research and it'll just straight up lie to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not here to be a developer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm here to ask chatGPTA to do something for me and spit it back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just not doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How cool would it be if I had my AI employee texting me via iMessage and operating just like a human with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yo, what is up, everybody?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to another episode of The More The Meets the iPodcast, where we talk about what's behind a person, a practice, or a product, especially when it comes to marketing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Jared Taylor, and I've got my coffee, and I'm welcoming you to JT Visuals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's spelled without the eye because there's more than me CI.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're out there and people are telling you, you need to be using AI because you're going to get left behind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then you finally decided, okay, I'm going to learn to add GPT.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you start learning it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then now everyone's telling you,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, you're still on Chad GPT, let's like being on my space.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna go away because they keep lying to you if you're experiencing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chad GPT is just overaffirming every input you do or producing a novel every single time and you just want a quick answer, but then it has to be so PR friendly because they've got so big

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[SPEAKER_01]: that now there's a lot of regulations and all the tensions on them and then maybe they just, I don't know what's going on and actually by the time this releases it's possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They completely released a new thing that blows all of their old mistakes out of the water and then they become an S tier ranked AI again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how fast things are moving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But right now there is a lot of questions and I myself went through this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: where what is clot?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, is Jim and I good?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Should I be using that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or what are the things that I should be using AI for that I'm not?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I woke up one day and just kind of went, man, I know nothing of AI.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm the one that goes around and talks about how to use AI to implement into your business so that you can scale your time and scale your revenue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then here I am waking up one day and like been using chat GPT for the last several months and then all of a sudden it's like just affirming every single thing I do and I'd ask an idea and then even I'll tell it to go and research and it'll just straight up lie to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, is this compatible with this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: theoretically, blah, blah, blah, or maybe it doesn't even say theoretically, but you can be going through a whole troubleshooting campaign with chat, GPT, and we trust it because in the past we had good results, but we forget to challenge it again because we just think it earned our trust already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, sorry to interrupt, but Joe, you got something on your chest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When I failed my first eight business, I chalked it up to a couple of things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, I was very proud and I didn't learn how to build a business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the second thing I realized is I didn't go to school for this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's fun to try to figure things out and explore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then there comes a point where you're like, wait, hold on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now back to the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So therefore, nothing's ever going to be wrong again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Until you go, well,

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[SPEAKER_01]: going to read the official document of this product and see if it's compatible with this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it comes back to us, no, it's not compatible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're like, what the heck?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then we blame it on the prompts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, sure, you can get away with a better prompt and then not have that kind of message.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's not all just about the prompt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I experience this because I want to chat GPT to produce 250 Google Business Profile updates for me in a CSV format that's very particular.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it goes all right right on it and then it generates and then it sends it and at least it's telling me it says, hey, I could only do 75 of this or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember the exact number.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was well below the amount that I wanted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted 250.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was getting close to 75.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's telling me, here's a Python script that you can run and it's like, I'm not here to be a developer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm here to ask ChatGPT to do something for me and spit it back, and it's just not doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's true that this could be changing by the time even this video releases.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So really, I just want to know your perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you experiencing things like this and are you on ChatGPT?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then do you experience it if you go to Cloud or do you experience it on Jim and I much?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So instead of becoming more of a developer than I should, I took that same prompt, put it in the free version of Claude, and it did it the first time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No joke.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was my first thing that I learned was the difference between chatchipyteen Claude is that while they're both technically large language models, the outputs can be larger on Claude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It can do things better without degrading the quality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I know there's a lot of people out there and they're like, jump and ship from chatchipyteen over to Claude specifically, but this could technically apply to anything, however,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to talk specifically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to those who are on-clod and share what you like most about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then those that are on chatGPT who are experiencing the same frustrations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're also getting good results from chatGPT, then I do want to know that too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to stay open about this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to just jump ship in the be super loyal to one thing just because I really had a good experience with it could be completely different for someone else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we only know if we bring that data to the table.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to speak from what I know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: from my experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what I know as the main difference is that chat GPT is there to chat with and then it spits back some text that you can copy and paste and put somewhere else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It does have connectors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did test the connector feature, but did you know that the voice feature on chat GPT is technically a different model

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[SPEAKER_01]: than the one that you text.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I started thinking I really like chat to PT because I can have conversation with it on the way home by being hands-free and safe and driving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's just like talking on the phone, I put it on the little dock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But every time I would say, go and look up this email, I need help responding to so-and-so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It couldn't find it, and then it would be like, it's not connected to Google.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, yeah, you are, I just connected you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, no, I'm not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, why am I arguing with the AI?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I realize the voice feature is a different model than the chat feature.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if I put something in the thread first, like go text it in the chat thread, and say, bring up that email, then voice can kind of go back and see the thread.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did that another time and it couldn't go back and see what was on the previous thread.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm on the paid version too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when that happened, now I had to gaslight the voice feature of ChatGPT into knowing it had more information.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in this thread, then it was saying it had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then your babysitting is just a little too much and it's like this should just work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what's going on here is it like really watered down version.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's too much compounding of code that's like messed it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was supposed to stay simple as a framework in the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's what I experienced and I was just kind of done with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I moved to Claude with that free version.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm seeing Dan Martell like rank all these AIs and I'm like, Manus, there's something to Manus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was thinking of trying Manus and I went all in with it for like seven days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but Manus from my experience was really good and I got good results.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was difficult with it is it's all completely cloud-based and therefore the usage credits and the credits system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have no idea what it's worth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm paying $20.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's $2,000 credits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This task used 300 credits just for that one chat thread and then it was like, what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How much did that cost me?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and you have to do all the math and it gets very confusing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Go and tell it to do something slightly different and it enters into this deep research mode that and you had no idea because it auto-selected it versus like, you selecting it and there are ways around that but I went and told it to go and research since it's connected to Instagram Facebook to go and help build an Instagram coach to help with results and go and scan some YouTube training videos that I found and like build a skill based on that to help train the AI for like how I can

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, when it did that, it cost me like 2,000 credits and it stopped in the middle of doing that because I already spent my $20.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then I was like, okay, well, maybe this is worth it though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I spent more and got more credits and then it ran out right away again and then I did it again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm like, wait, I'm seeing the pattern here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is almost like $20 a day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I got to slow down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this just because I'm developing a bunch of skills and it just really didn't work out for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If money is not an issue for you, then go ahead and use the deep research of Manus and it will connect a lot better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But for me, the budgets and where I am, by the time I would get to a result, I wanted for Manus to be an AI agent that is like an employee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was better at that point as far as cost.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually was more

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[SPEAKER_01]: then what it would take to just hire someone and train them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, man, it's just went out of picture for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to do completely different use case for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's really the cost of effectiveness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I even download the app and it's like 50% less usage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think their usage was just 10x, what cloud is?

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[SPEAKER_01]: At least for my experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was cool with manuses?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you understand this Lingo real quick, it can convert API into MCP pretty easy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And using any program that doesn't have MCP servers, but then

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[SPEAKER_01]: it can actually talk to it via API, and that was cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so literally, Manus integrated into every platform that I had, so everything could talk to each other, as long as there were API calls, puts and gets for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, wait a minute, hold on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cloud has this eye message feature that I'm seeing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How cool would it be if I had my AI employee?

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[SPEAKER_01]: texting me via i message, I don't know, there's something about the blue bubbles and it just comes through and looking and treated and operating just like a human would.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm getting closer to that and when I installed it, I learned that Claude is very similar to Claude Bot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that's very confusing to stick with me because it's at system level and not necessarily always in the

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[SPEAKER_01]: has actually three features.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's chat, and then they have co-work, and then they have cloud code.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So chat is basically the cloud-based thing that you can go to that's very similar to chat TPD, but you could get larger outputs if you need that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've heard a lot of good experience from writers who need some help with editing and stuff that they get better results on cloud naturally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that could be a use case in the chat feature.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then there's co-work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you have a desktop or dedicated device that you can keep on always,

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[SPEAKER_01]: then it can operate your Google Chrome browser and that's what's really cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then if something's incompatible via MCP or they don't even have that at all or they're not a connector that's available on cloud, then it can actually access Google Chrome and anything someone can do on Google Chrome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it can do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that actually became a main difference and also that helps with extra security in the sense that not everything's all out in the cloud, all of my recent messages and stuff are at system level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's at the computer level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and the documents and everything stores on the computer, not in the cloud.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this actually opens up other opportunities for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did try, they have a new feature where instead of just Google Chrome that it operates, it can operate anything on your computer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's called computer use.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This literally takes over your whole computer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So theoretically through this, it can use DaVinci Resolve and edit a video, but I don't know if it can,

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[SPEAKER_01]: do it fast enough or long enough for whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I was worth it at least right now because when it does that it's taken up the most you should possible during that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So something most efficient way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: However, you can see the light at the end of the tunnel of where clot is going and really now you are just limited, not by tech, not by what you can afford, but based

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[SPEAKER_01]: for your use cases.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you have bottlenecks in your business and as a repeated task, you can have Claude set up scheduled tasks to go and do something for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the next feature I learned with that blew my mind because you can put it under something called projects.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you make a project in Claude,

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like focus only in this frame, but then have a scheduled task and then it goes in by tasks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So chat GPT operates based on threads.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's chat history.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you could keep the same thread.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And while you can do that in Cloud, Cloud is more focused on tasks being your thread.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything is tracked by did it accomplish the task that you wanted it to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what makes Cloud more of a doer than how chat chipet is just an information researcher and it gathers information and then gives it to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even though research isn't like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the best.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in Claude, when you have something in projects, you can say, hey, this, you are my ex assistant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not talking about Twitter, but although you probably could do that, maybe there's always a way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you need help with a certain thing, like maybe social media comments, let's specific on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would make that a project.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then you can train the project,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And be like, here's the SOP for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the brandlingo, here's the brand language.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then here's the skills you'll need for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you may need these connectors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the connectors are like, it can connect to Gmail, Google Calendar, really all the Google stuff, almost.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then any local level stuff that you have, if you have clogged coworker on the system level, you can get it to integrate to any MCP.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: it can integrate to go high level when you do cloud co-work, and that's very simple to set up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then when you do that, it can become more of an assistant, but not something that just reports stuff to you, but something that does something for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want it to go in manage comments, one of the ones that I've connected is Metricool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it can go in there and

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[SPEAKER_01]: It gets all of the unresolved comments across all the social media channels that I have, and it can suggest what to write in order to make sure and comment back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is nice because if you get a lot of comments all at once, it can be overwhelming, but you're going to want to train that assistant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that assistant needs SOPs, it needs your brand values, it needs their your lingo, and you could start a whole other thing, or within this project, the instructions could be,

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[SPEAKER_01]: develop and learn as we go and update the SOP as we go and we learn this so that you can understand completely how to do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then you're treating it just like an employee for that task.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if there's a social media comment manager out there then that would be Claude can replace that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then you could set it up and really you just chat to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just chat to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can train it more on the skill of it and you can set it up to be like, when there's a comment like this, send me a text so I can verify it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when you respond to the text, that triggers another task to go and complete it and gives the context of the other one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can do a lot with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of cool, we have one growing up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I always played in 64, and there was the 007 games, which unpopular belief, I like world is not enough better than golden eye, but golden eye did bring a lot of us to the multiplayer game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I like the world is not enough and play that a lot

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[SPEAKER_01]: AI bots, but growing up when we would toggle that feature, I didn't even know what that meant, and it was owl bots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so now, as pain homage homage, homage back to that story is, I made an AI user called owl, and then just to not confuse too much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is it needs a last name now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So al and then I just made Bert the last name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now I can know that lowercase l or capital i.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, that's a fun little story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you have a dedicated device, just like a max studio or mac mini, which mac mini is like 600 bucks for decent one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you could have an AI and Claude just live off of this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that way,

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[SPEAKER_01]: it won't get into your personal stuff if you give it computer use and you can only put on there what you want cloud to have access to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you could say like hey use the messages app inside the Mac mini and then that could be a way to do i message and then it can go back to the team and everything and now there's so many use cases for this and then actually like

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you can actually start getting Apple shortcuts to work and I actually got like a trigger inside Apple shortcuts to be like when someone text me and it says hashtag auto post then do this so I could probably set it up where if someone text me this like let's say someone text me three videos and they were supposed to email me this happens all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but I could train them to be like, hey, just put hashtag auto post, if you're gonna send that to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I could train it to be like, when there's hashtag auto post, to then download the videos and put the videos in this folder and then make a done, done task, which is our task management software, to notify the team that there's a new auto post video ready to be edited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So from the client experience, it's a cool little product which, by the way, it's a wayless right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want early access, you can save and get on the wayless.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just text or email info at jtvisual.com.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want it on this, but from the client experiences, all they do is they film a video with their selfie mode because that still works.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the second thing they do is send it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: we do the rest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Once we have you established on posting that, like imagine just you film a video and then you send it through a text.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's a team that just magically knows and understands your brand and puts it on social media for you, schedules it, edits it or whatever touchups it needs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so there are obviously things that AI can help me with to make and speed this up faster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So since this is a podcast, I didn't show you very much about this, but I would love to have you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: join our school community, the link is in the description, and through comment on this video or comment in the school community, which is free to join the community.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if you want to dive deeper, then you can get courses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have skills that I'm training AI on for very specific use cases.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you buy the course, you get a tutorial on how to use it and you can download the skill or the custom GPT to whatever platform that you're

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[SPEAKER_01]: generic AI is out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just out of the picture from now on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like even Jim and I Gemini is pretty decent, but if you just generic chat it without giving parameters or it previously knowing about you and learning about you and your business or where you work, then it's not going to give you very good results.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chat JBT can still give some decent results to if you have custom trained chat JBT's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've trained some, and then converted it all, there's a manuscript, there's a cloud skill, and there's chatGPT custom link, and there's a Gemini link, or a Gemini gem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For you to use, so you don't have to learn something from a course and then go and do something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you learn something from a course and you get the plug and play version where you can pop that in to your system that you use for AI and then to pay on what course it is, that's what skill it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in the comments of this video and the comments of our school community, you get to stay in the

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[SPEAKER_01]: side of things and what you would be looking for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you had one thing that's like, man, if AI could do this, that would totally save my time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that could scale to other businesses being helped through this too, then that would be beneficial for us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd love to collaborate and really what I'll do is if you're in the school community and you put it in there, if you

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[SPEAKER_01]: came up with the idea and I can track that back to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you that course complimentary for providing the idea so long as we choose to actually use it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to know what are you more curious about?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you need help with?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was this video helpful at all with navigating the AI jungle?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to make more videos like this if that's going to be a value to you and level up your content game and business game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Jared Taylor and I want you to keep on keeping on.