Opposite Backgrounds Brought Together For The Same Mission

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was in law enforcement for 21 years, and I was a part of law.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was running.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was running from the law enforcement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been to prison three times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been to jail in about eight different states.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've ten years sober, ten years out of the life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm a survivor in an American.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's specifically led me there because you know those might be naming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People were donating thousands of dollars, you know, being thousands of dollars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of them leaned over and said, I had no idea that people cared about us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yo, what is up, everybody?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to another episode of The More Than Means The iPodcast, where we talk about what's behind a person, the practice or a product.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're here with Michelle and we're here with Stephanie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Their stories, there's each person has their own story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for being here with us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I really wanted to give the opportunity to learn a little bit more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: who's behind RPOR, what is it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: But before we do that, let's establish who you are, Stephanie, and who you are Michelle, for people who are meeting you just for the first time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How do you usually explain what you do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I usually tell them that I work for a faith-based nonprofit that works with women who are being exploited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, do you want the whole thing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, what do you men usually say?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When people ask me what I do, I'll let them know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even though I have a title, I don't have anything that needs to be done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a community resource specialist for relentless pursuit at reaching recovery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if ladies, they come in our center and need credentials or things like that resources, I do what I can to get in the resource.

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[SPEAKER_01]: OK, so I'm executive director.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't do the fancy stuff like she does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I beg people for money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, how do we explain what we do first of all?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We get up in the morning and pray to God that he would just let us take the day on the way that he would have us take on the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The relance pursuit is a faith-based organization, so of course, which is Jesus first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I meet people where they are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have empathy and understanding and compassion for people and try to put myself in their shoes and help them in the best way I can.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm so excited to have you guys here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I want to set up your story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Our personal story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And how you got started with RPO.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So what led up to that journey?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was about year 20.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as a federal probation officer and I was not I didn't have mandatory retirement for another seven years and so I had truly just I was going to ride that pony out, you know, in May of 2021 I was introduced to relentless pursuit just as a volunteer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, this is cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was going through some personal stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I started reading the book by Joyce Myers, called Do It Afraid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, in love the name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it changed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It changed my life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that was in May.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I'm a slow reader because I'm July.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry in the book, but I felt like the Lord told me it's like you're going to be running relentless pursuit and I was like, oh, okay, and in my mind I thought, oh, I'm going to be the drop-in center coordinator.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he's like, you need to turn your retirement paperwork in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, okay, and I'm thinking, I'll do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, you need to do it when you get back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the office on Monday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in July, I turned in my retirement paperwork for the end of the year and then I waited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did it afraid out of obedience and I waited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And gosh, August rolled around, hadn't really heard anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My girlfriend who introduced me to relentless pursuit was like, hey, do you think you would ever be interested in working there?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, well, yeah, I said I haven't told anyone but I've already turned my retirement paperwork in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, but I don't want to push it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, she wasn't in charge of anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It reliance pursuit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I just really want God to move the way he wants this to move and so I waited and it got to be September and I was like, oh my gosh, Lord, it's like you need to put your kid in private school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were just coming out of COVID and I'm like, but you just told me to retire like those dollar signs don't add up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, no, you need to put your kid in private schools.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I put

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[SPEAKER_01]: put Aiden in private school, and I'm still waiting, still waiting for them to reach out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And finally, it was gosh, the middle of October, and Jen, we've reached out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just like, hey, would you ever be interested in being the drop-in center coordinator?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh my gosh, I put my paperwork in in July, and I've been waiting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been waiting for you guys to call and but was just letting God lead it and was being obedient.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So what was the draw to Berlin this pursuit like why why the eager waiting?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, it was just being obedient to God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, so my history was, I was a level three contracting officer, and I specialized in treatment services when I was a federal probation officer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I knew a lot about treatment and behavior disorders.

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[SPEAKER_01]: substance use disorder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was very knowledgeable, but I mean if I'm being honest, I did not want to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did not want to do that when I retired, and I certainly didn't want to work with women.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I went into a male-dominated career field as law enforcement, and that was by design,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I would go down there and I would volunteer and, you know, I could fill my heart softening towards these women.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could feel my heart softening, but I still, I, I just like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lord, this is not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not, I want to do something easy for my retirement, and, and it was, I mean, I truly, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't see what it means.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it truly was out of obedience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that I did it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're seeking God, seeking God in your God, in your God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it really is a testament to doing things afraid, knowing that God walks before us in all things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I truly believed that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then knowing that I was going to be uncomfortable in this new position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but knowing that I was, I was called to be there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was there before Michelle got there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'd been working maybe a year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I was still, I'm still recovering fed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I was, yeah, what do you mean by that when you say recovery fed?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were shooting a video today and saying that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Recovering fed, it just means that I'm recovering from being a federal employee.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you have certain things in your head for sure, yeah, yeah, yes, yes, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, lots and lots of structure, lots and lots of rules.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure a lot of that like plays out to a strength though, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It does because when I first started working there, like we, there were no rules.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was no structure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I brought a lot of the, a lot of the rules and yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the boring one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm they think I'm the heavy when I show up don't they I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll show you Stephanie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't mean that's just the go to let me check the Stephanie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I ask people let me check with Stephanie so when I give them their answer do I won't be the bad guy to be heard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like I said on the back of you, but I mean, I'm part of the leadership of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we usually talk behind the scenes and I'll be like, hey, so I'm so it's going to reach out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a no, but here's how we're going to say that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's usually like in sales.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like there's a business partner or there's like, let me talk to my wife.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like, hmm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think your wife's going to say?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's my story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How I got there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, way to be obedient, because God isn't really

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[SPEAKER_02]: what I've seen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The glimpse that I've seen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I tell people all the time it's much more fulfilling than anything I did as a federal employee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love my job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love seeing the girls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I miss them when I'm not down there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just much more rewarding than anything that I've ever done.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the one thing that I don't want to happen when I get to heaven is for God to say sit down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's, here's the video of your life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm sitting there next to her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you both do some not get mad.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, this is the video of your life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so proud of you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You did, but do you want to see what I had in store for you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, yeah, I want to see what you had in store for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, sorry about all the rabbit trails.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like I feel like there were times that I could have gotten places a lot sooner had I been obedient, but I also know that, you know, all of the trials and all of the struggles that I had really have led me to hear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that part of the story I look forward, you know, to seeing that video and

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully, the video clip that God shows what he wanted for me is, is maybe just little wins to say, if you wouldn't have done this, we couldn't have been here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he'll make you feel shame.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do, well, he's a father.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He will reward the obedience, but you said it obedience.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, that's the big thing, with me and my business, it's God.

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[SPEAKER_02]: wants a specific mission, a specific thing to happen, and for everybody's organization or everybody's business, if you're a Christ follower, it is to build his kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Draw people closer to him, and there are different parts of a kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So if God is calling your organization to

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[SPEAKER_02]: do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then it's an honor that he chose you to be that person to fulfill that mission.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's been a perspective shift for me because it's like if I'm not going to step in and do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: he's going to call someone else and I miss the honor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, beating.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's a big good saying.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's shown up doing it afraid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Michelle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the beatings of being a call with the joy of a beating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But how did I come to relentless pursuit?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been kind of around since inception because I knew the weavers and things like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was familiar with the real estate I dropped in and I volunteered a few times and things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I prior was a peer specialist in a house manager for another faith-based organization.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The year of 22, I went to a cancer journey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the end of the year of 22, I decided I didn't want to be a house manager anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, man, this detachment is really cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: want to do this anymore and then the founder of in my boss at the other organization is like, well, I actually give me a year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've gone darn good year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you can do what you want to do and I forgot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She told me that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was like, just give me a year and you can do whatever you want to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Put my resume together, put it on indeed and I was getting hit after hits because I'm a peer specialist in the recovery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: field, a lot of organizations are requiring now to have peer specialists on board, and a peer specialist is a person with lived experience to help guide others to go through, but they're I got you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and I saw I'm a peer to a ride and tell you, putting my resume on a deed up, getting a head chapter hits and one week I had three interviews one week, and one of the organizations are really wanted to work for them really bad in them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: friend of mine, a call on my sister, she calls me, she says sister.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, yeah, she's like, I got my ball sitting here and he wants to talk to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay, so she put her ball in line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, well, she's told me all about you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard great things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What will it take for you to work for us?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so me, you being like, oh, well, I'm certifying this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I have this, he's like, yeah, yeah, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What will it take?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even before that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had people say, where are you going to go?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, where are you going to work?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, where have we got sends me?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You see, my way doesn't pan out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK, but I do stuff my way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a disastrous a lot of things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was like, I don't know where I'm going to go and where have we got sends me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so God sent me to relentless pursuit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I used to run the streets down there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I put it that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just a little bit about me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm 10 years sober, 10 years out of the life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking forward to what all the other stuff God has for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's how I, that's how I ended up, it really, this is God told me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that's what you're going to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see myself doing anything else because this is everything that I've experienced up to this point sitting in this chair is what got planned.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like when God led you there to relentless pursuit, like how specifically did he lead you to?

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[SPEAKER_02]: are for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm a survivor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm a member.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He specifically led me there because you know those women need me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He knows that he specifically led me there because you know the ladies come in that door that I used to be in the world with their listen to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They believe me because I know that if I'm doing something I believe in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not mediocre anything even when I was in the world and in that lifestyle and in my addiction, I was forced to be reckoned for this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for Jesus, oh, man, it's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I left you know, and so yeah, and the the relatability and their survivorship and then, you know, it's crazy that like Stephanie and I,

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[SPEAKER_00]: our sisters and all that stuff because she was in law enforcement for 21 years and I was a part of law she was running from law enforcement so I've been I've been the prison three times I've been the jail in about eight different states you know and I was I had just finished federal probation when before I came to really so god was where he was we we see we just we were obedient

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a joy and obedience that's undescribable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And because, like I said, my wife didn't pan out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I ended up in situations.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's my pressure, too, if you think about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It really is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even like at the center, ladies, oh, well, Miss Michelle, how do you give it to God?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean by that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when I emphasize and I bring on the obedience and doing the next right thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you practice those things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They become easier to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just like if you were playing a musical instrument, you want to be first chair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You take that instrument home when you practice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just like if you wanted to be a good basketball player, you'd go out there and you practice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So being obedient to God and doing the next right thing, we have to get our minds set in that thought process and it would come like second nature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, for some, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because there's a third nature.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sin nature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's still there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're still struggling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're still trying to get there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But your desire for God outweighs your desire for the other way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: see it it's a priority when we get up in the morning to spend time in the word like to fully put on the full armor of God and when people reach out and they're like oh what can we do and and one of the things I tell them is like pray for us pray for us every morning that

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, we do God's will, but just know we are putting on the full armor of God, but some mornings we need help putting it on, because sometimes the armor is heavy, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we want to put it on that sometimes we need help.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And for context, can we list them all?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got the help of salvation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, the breastplate and the righteousness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the belt of truth.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That one's needed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes when you whip people with that belt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, yes, yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_02]: The truth, you know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My making mad at first, but yes, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the shoes of the gospel shoes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the shield.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The shield of faith, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The shield of faith, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The sword.

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[SPEAKER_02]: sort of the spirit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the offensive one if you think about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would always picture this as a kid, you know, go through this in Sunday school and all that and like yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then I'm older and I'm like, wait, okay, the shield is for blocking a tag.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So faith blocks a text.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it will faith and trust go hand in hand, you know, so you can really get deep with it and then

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[SPEAKER_02]: the sort of the spirit, that's our weapon to fight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you are fighting, like don't mistake it, that it is a battle when you, when you are in ministry and you're spreading the word and you're building kingdom, you're doing kingdom work that you are in battle and you have to prepare every single day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we keep, can we go there, like, what are some of the battles you see?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, whether internal or external or around you, or you see it oftentimes in other people?

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[SPEAKER_00]: My battle is, hope that I get it right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a get it right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I want to please God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, in my thing, and I've done so many things that wrong ways can get it right this time, you know, and that comes with that obedience I'm talking about, you know, and that also obedience also takes courage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because especially like the women that we serve, their mindset isn't survival mode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They'll do what they need to do to get what they need and what they want to survive, that it's like second nature did not tell the truth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so what we try to do is demonstrate the truth so that they can see, okay, the truth's not bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the truth, the truth will work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I always stress about the funding, of course.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Stuff will start falling apart at the center.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like we got to call out HVAC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got to call out a plumber, you know, it's just like, I just see dollar signs and it just, it stresses me out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I also know that that's the enemy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I tell people, I'm like, I'm gonna go to the bank of daddy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think he's got this covered.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say though, like, for every when it gets really bad,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember one time I was so frustrated with my vehicle and I can't even remember what it was and I roll up to the center and I'm seeing these girls who've probably walked a mile to get to the center and I'm like, huh, wouldn't they be?

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[SPEAKER_01]: wouldn't they be upset about their aces not working in their car?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, they'd be glad that they had a car.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it gives you such perspective that that's not a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I also know that it's a faith builder when you say this happened, it was such a struggle and it was hard, but here's how God came through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know, like with the finances as much as I stress about it, there have been times that we need toilet paper and some random guy shows up just came from Costco with like four things of toilet paper say like snacks like we don't have any snacks and it's like all the sudden they show up I remember one of the volunteers coming up and she's like

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have any creamer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have any sugar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're out of coffee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, well, I guess we got to make a Costco run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And within 30 minutes, some random guy had just cleaned out a coffee shop at KCI because the shop had shut down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, hey, we've got some random stuff from this boutique.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not even knowing what it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He shows up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's cappuccino mix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's sugar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's creamer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not every thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's not makes a big difference for where you are huge for every battle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We know that on one we're going to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're always going to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But just being able to walk it out in obedience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the hardest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because and and answering the phone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I just tell you how many times I don't answer the phone when it's with the phone rings and it's like, I don't know that number.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that I like that's been my biggest thing and starting my business too was just phone calls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why there would be like so much anxiety that just the phone rings like how dare you bother me You know it's like you look at it now is like what is yeah Yeah, usually there's a problem to solve with me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, shouldn't they know I'm trying to edit a video don't disrupt me right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those battles.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's really a thing of

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[SPEAKER_02]: testing sometimes it's of our faith, sometimes it's an example that we have to set for someone and sometimes not fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes you're like you're living in this high faith overflow and then that's the opportunity to be able to help others and I just love that that's part of relentless pursuit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when we saw some things and we saw some organization and we saw some giving to people and what's mundane and I grew up, I didn't grow up, but sorry, I almost had a group.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I lived in Africa for a year with my wife and my two-year-old daughter at the time, and I filmed videos over there and taught at a school.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm bringing that up just because they kind of set a groundwork of what difficult means.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's like such mundane things that you forget about how much you like peanut butter and what it means to you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you don't get that there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The power goes out like crazy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're not the hot water here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's that like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just need a water.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you were at the center.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yes, but it triggers in in a good way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It triggered back into all this fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah, and it reminded me of Africa and how God always got us through.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, have you heard of the halt thing like when someone's off on their like, oh, okay, yeah, they're just acting weird and stuff and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's, you got to exercise halt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember all of them, but it's like hunger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, anger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know T is tired.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, tired.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But basically, if you're, yeah, when we were there, we're like, hey, look, it's going to get hot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be tired.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be hungry and we got to be able to work through this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you tried, like, sleeping?

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[SPEAKER_01]: in like a hundred degree weather.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could, and I would have to have like 20 fans blowing on me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, even with the fans, but then the power goes out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you have no fans.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so you had to kind of get creative.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We did have water.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we're like wet in the blankets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like sleeping in a wet blanket.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was actually the solution.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So like I just, that set my foundation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: of faith and getting through things and the driving there's crazy too and I had to learn stick shift That was the first time I learned stick shift over there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Actually they were on the correct side But what's funny is it ended up being one of my favorite things was knowing how to drive that yeah, and even though there's no rules There's rules.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's like respect.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, big trucks watch out like they get the right away

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no matter what.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No matter what.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And nobody wants to get in a wreck.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I always felt like here, if there was a light or something and someone makes a mistake, the other person feels like they have the right to go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so there's because it's the rule.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're just going to go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like not saying that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Want to get in racks, but like it's just more of the vibe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got to follow the rules and you're not doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so now I'm

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we wrecked her, but bringing all that up just because like, do it afraid and I'm thinking of faith and obedience, and I'm thinking of the verse, even when I walk in the darkest valley, I'll fear no evil, who's run-staffed company.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When you walk in a valley, it's scary looking, and sometimes you're called to walk through it, but it's also comforting at the same time

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[SPEAKER_02]: That kind of thing, or should we switch gears here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: For one thing about being at the center, is that I believe it or not, I used to have a really bad temper in the, no one could see that, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like the more I walk with God and the more this is the more patient I am and the more understanding I'm, I'm already very patient and understanding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then of course there's always something or someone they could push a button or trigger you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's up to me to home that in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so to me it's it's a growing point when

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't react, I respond instead of reacting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I love that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I love that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I meet, we meet them where they are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what kind of psychosis you may be in or bring a day in and then at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See, it's funny because she's Stephanie did all those years in law enforcement, but people don't see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just see this lady coming in here and just help these.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't know that she already pegged it before you did it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they don't realize that we know your next move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen this before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and then the thing is trying not, you know, I try not to get upset, but it's, it is what it is sometimes, you know, nature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just the wonderful part about it is after they figure out that we know we got that number.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's where their respect comes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where they don't let other ladies, you know, disrespect the process and, you know, what we've got going on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a point at one time where we couldn't leave out of one room where we have all the clothes and the other clothes and things,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to worry about that so much anymore because other girls will hold in my account.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, you can't do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's some of those lasers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a culture thing too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: About like when you joined were there things that worked out faster than you expected?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I let my guard down faster than

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, just being in law enforcement you spend years putting a wall up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I call them boundaries, but they're walls sometimes because you don't want to let other people in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just found myself becoming just more and more empathetic and, you know, really caring about the girls, which I mean, I thought I was going to create this very sterile environment and I was going to create processes and I, I, I, I, right, but when reality sat in, it was like, I, I am playing a supportive role and let my guard down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And...

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[SPEAKER_01]: let some of these women in, still having boundaries, still having healthy boundaries, but being able to let them in and know that I really did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really do care, I really want what's best for you, and that came faster than what I thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would, I mean, I'm glad that it did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoy interacting with the girls, I really do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for sharing that, healthy boundaries.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You said it like that's the important one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because sometimes you can put up so many walls and it's like are the walls to keep people out or is it to keep part of me in?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it can be true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it's a, it ends up becoming your own prison for yourself because I don't want to get hurt out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or be disappointed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have to let these girls walk the journey out for themselves and you see them and you want once you want so much more for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you see the potential and you see the leadership and you see how much they care for other people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, but you have to sit in the uncomfortable and I think that's where it's hard to let your guard down because it's hard to sit with them in the uncomfortable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is there something that worked out faster than you expected from your perspective Michelle?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I learned to love Stephanie so much faster than I thought I would.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, come on now and don't think about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I always, because she had her guard up with me when I came in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's this girl?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, she lied.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what she's talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But my thing is to show up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I showed up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I showed up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even when I remember one time, even Jen, she's like, I don't know where Michelle's at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I would honestly, that's not, I mean, I don't think that's what is, but it's just, it's all in what God can do and how we can think something that happened faster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything's been on just a, I wouldn't even say what kind of pace it's on, I wouldn't kind of think of past pace.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How many women we serve?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because we're a world of mouth, I mean, we don't have a billboard say, come down and get a shower.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'll do it through the ladies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, I guess I can say a respect that I get from the ladies kind of, I wouldn't say it surprised me, because my mother used to say, to get respect demand respect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a verbal thing, you get your respect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I have ladies that I was in the world with the call me Miss Michelle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and these are ladies that back in the day, they called me only by my nickname, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's something I didn't expect it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, you know, or anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the respect and the seriousness, I guess is what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't been a lot to ask you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And how many ladies were serving?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been to high use.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember when I first came on as a staff member and three and a half years ago, and we used to get excited if we had 20 women.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we were there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were like, oh, we have 20 women.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we have 20 women waiting outside to get in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we open our doors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you said you had an all-time high once of 69 ladies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You started to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, it was pretty well old machine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've been in there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is those the same spot?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was their AC that day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're had to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that's a it's such a great problem when there's like it really it really really is I think I like the challenges sometimes it comes along with some of the things to come in there because all it does is help me grow It does is help me you know learn how to assess or to do you know the next situation like that that comes along a lot of people know about us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You do a lot of outreach, though, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The numbers have increased since Michelle's been the community resource specialist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She does street outreach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's, you know, handing out, you know, sandwiches and bottles of water.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw a big increase when the women started seeing Michelle in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: familiar consistency she's doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember you gave us a little ride along to yeah, you're sharing a lot of your story and everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was powerful thank you for sharing all that and showing us and everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: To see firsthand what you've done guys you have to like if you're in the Kansas area you you have to

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[SPEAKER_02]: figure out a way to be able to volunteer with RPOR and just see it for yourself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, even in this podcast, some people are like, but what is it you do?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like there's still probably confused.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's because you have to see it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have to, and Jesus said, tasty and see you right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We see the invisible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We see people who don't even see themselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK, we see people who don't think anyone cares.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We see people who won't even allow some of the ladies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They won't let anyone close to them like we are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't, they don't trust anyone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, trust is something built over time, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so over the past, we have established trust in some of the ladies, which also ends up getting, getting them help.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then some of the ladies, to get help, it's just being there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just being an ear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I had a lady she came in and she was, and so brought in the office, I sat down, I promised y'all how to say three words.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just sat there and I just listened to her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the end, she liked her face off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She gave me a hug.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She said, thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She went on a better day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for getting the job and everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So just being a present, and just, you know, this love, you're good people, first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cheers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like all your sayings to like you all you have a saying for every I do I lot of my guy from my mom but some of my game with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can't the good ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll never forget.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have our annual gala and April and we had three survivors come in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember I sat at the table with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we, it was during our live auction and, you know, people were donating thousands of dollars, you know, beating thousands of dollars and one of them lead over and said, I had no idea that people cared about us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Huh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that goes to the them filling invisible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the reason why she mentioned the outreach because our organization, we have a F-150 and I keep stuff in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have flip flops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have sanitary products, shirts, shorts, hair berets, you name it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're in the truck right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I have a wrap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, I love it because we have our emblems on the back of the truck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, people know, they look for the pink on the back of the window and they know it's me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, and then it's also funny because sometimes some of the girls, you know, she got some smishel because smishel, you know, and I'm like they're like she don't care, she doesn't care, and I don't, but I will pull up and I will get you some water, if sometimes in many condoms, you know, are in near the things like that, I'll give a hug, I'll give a kiss and I'll keep that, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tell them we're open tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I'm going to have a song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so one thing I've learned is like the attachment part, because I mean, any of you all, if you come into the center, there's going to be, you're going to see someone that you're going to want to put it in your pocket and take them home with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll figure it to the can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just pray for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Keep them in mind, put them in your heart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, and it's hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because some of the ladies, I know personally, some of these ladies, I've known 15, 20 years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, that's real peer to peer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they get helped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They end up getting to the end of that same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're helped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They get help.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Michelle can do it anybody can do it because I was going to figure a way out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was always going to figure out how to keep doing what I was doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was the epitome of I'm going to figure out how to keep doing this craziness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm looking back now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't really do that, was that really my story, but as far as I'm concerned, everything I went through, everything I went through is what got intended for me to go through so that I could do what I'm doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What I do ever becomes a job, a job, not going to do it, it's not, this is not a job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what God sent me to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The word says that God will always

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, I believe that's what relentless pursuit is for these women is providing them away out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's always a choice, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the end of the day, God always gives you a choice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they just have to choose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I tell them that the choice is anything is not overdue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then happen overnight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I tell a lot of people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you're standing at the deep end of the pool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hold your nose, close your eyes, and jump in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: More than like you're gonna come back up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's gonna reach down there and grab me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people just give up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Most people don't know how to swim.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Most of us don't know how to do the next thing that we're trying to get accomplished.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you hold your nose and jump in the deep end, you don't figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, then you find out it's Jello.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you can eat your way out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Living flavor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we live in the flavor of Jello.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We live in the women.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're women people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me kick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, women, anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna ask about the future a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, like personally.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, yeah, I mean, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need husbands.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, first of all, a shout out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't settle for non-maniface.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, absolutely not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a thing I have been on Facebook.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember it said, I'm not, it said, I'm not dating again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a God himself comes and sits on my bed and said, my homeboy wants to holler at you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so there's that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, you can give him a number.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the future, more for where you're going with RPO RR.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What, like I know you have another center for me right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And what's what's the need there?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's stopping it from like, it's own potential could it, like be something that could happen in the next month?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to get up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Could it happen?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if someone came up with money and labor in part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so it's all the things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's all the things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's the first number rule?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the number one is the Mike Daniel Center.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be the first crisis center in the state of Missouri specifically for women who are being exploited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be 18-bed center.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have partnered with Casey Faithworks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an amazing organization.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's retired and semi-retired skilled laborers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they are donating all of their time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And all of their labor, we just have to provide material.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the need there is obviously people to step forward and say, we have HVAC, we will donate our HVAC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We will, you know, things like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But honestly, even if the Mike Daniel Center, if we were ready to open it, we financially, we wouldn't be able to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we need, we need monthly donors in order to,

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[SPEAKER_01]: sustain a drop-in center and a crisis center every month.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Our drop-in center will move down to the end of our building, which will probably, I mean, it'll multiply our space by probably four times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll have four showers and so we'll help more women because we're so crowded right now that some of the ladies there anxiety want to allow them to stay in there for long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they leave.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll have more space.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to get down there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then like have you had to turn away people sounds like no we've never but they just they'll step in and see everybody in they'll turn around and leave okay this is too yeah that's what's on the horizon that's a nice horizon that is a nice horizon we'll have opportunities for people like we'll have a kitchen so if somebody's you know grandma was an amazing cook and you want to donate all the kitchen stuff we will name the kitchen after your

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[SPEAKER_02]: Grandma, hey, my grandma, she's on this podcast once.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm grandma.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a grandma.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's name the kitchen after you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we're going to do the same thing with the rooms up stairs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the bedrooms, we will put it out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody who wants to sponsor a room, you know, you come in, you design it, you paint it, and the room will be named after you or your family or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Which is cool, but like someone for me, I'm like, I don't want my name on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you could, you would have to call it some reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could have your company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could call it y'all way, Realme.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it would be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, see the opportunity too soon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have like a link to be able to join in on that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so that would be RPOR.org.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then just click on the donate button and it'll take you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know you have in-person events.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have like a gala in April.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In April, once the concrete is poured in,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the renovated side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have an open house and a lot of people come down and and look at what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a prayer, finance, volunteering, volunteer, donation, donation drives.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and all that's on the right side.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, awesome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for being here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is there anything else you would like to add to any of this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Michelle and I are good now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're sister boss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is my sister boss friend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a long way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you ever hand cuff her out of love?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would've been a crazier story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would've been a crazier story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, and she wouldn't have let me work there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, she was my people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, hey, God loves redemption soon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I probably would have.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this was a big redeeming story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I want to encourage you guys to keep on keeping on.